mannc Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Bunch? Who? "Bunch of 2nd rounders" = 2? The two 2nd rounders of which I'm aware are Dawkins and Cody Ford, who is not looking like a good ROI in the 2nd round We have 4 3rd rounders - Spencer Brown, Moss, Knox, Singletary If you want to talk players acquired in FA or from other teams: Morse was a 2nd round pick Williams was a 4th round pick so was Jon Feliciano Boettger and Rick were undrafted Diggs was a 5th round pick Sanders was a 3rd round pick Beasley was undrafted Gabe Davis in the 4th McKenzie in the 5th Stevenson and Matt Breida undrafted Outside of Allen, the Bills have not invested much draft capitol on offense Stevenson was a sixth round pick in April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Bunch? Who? "Bunch of 2nd rounders" = 2? The two 2nd rounders of which I'm aware are Dawkins and Cody Ford, who is not looking like a good ROI in the 2nd round We have 4 3rd rounders - Spencer Brown, Moss, Knox, Singletary If you want to talk players acquired in FA or from other teams: Morse was a 2nd round pick Williams was a 4th round pick so was Jon Feliciano Boettger and Rick were undrafted Diggs was a 5th round pick Sanders was a 3rd round pick Beasley was undrafted Gabe Davis in the 4th McKenzie in the 5th Stevenson and Matt Breida undrafted Outside of Allen, the Bills have not invested much draft capitol on offense trading a first round pick for a WR is investing draft capital imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 31 minutes ago, FireChans said: trading a first round pick for a WR is investing draft capital imo So including the pick for Diggs in 5 drafts of this regime the Bills have spent six first round picks and five second round picks on players (rather than as chips in trades for draft position). Of those two 1sts on offense (Allen and Diggs) and three 2nds (Dawkins, Ford and Jones). So there is a slight tilt towards defense not helped by two of their three 2nd round picks on offense being their two biggest busts of the regime so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So including the pick for Diggs in 5 drafts of this regime the Bills have spent six first round picks and five second round picks on players (rather than as chips in trades for draft position). Of those two 1sts on offense (Allen and Diggs) and three 2nds (Dawkins, Ford and Jones). So there is a slight tilt towards defense not helped by two of their three 2nd round picks on offense being their two biggest busts of the regime so far. Well said, Close the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 On 12/28/2021 at 9:44 AM, Mat68 said: New England and Gb model. Long term sustainability with an elite qb. I think McBeane is more like Biliecheck in that they are willing to make a bold move. Greenbay doesn’t do flash moves historically. I think if Etinne or Harris was there at 30 Buffalo would have drafted them. Let’s hope not regarding the RB’s. Sony Michel was one of BB’s worst picks. Damien Harris looks better and was drafted in the 3rd round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: So including the pick for Diggs in 5 drafts of this regime the Bills have spent six first round picks and five second round picks on players (rather than as chips in trades for draft position). Of those two 1sts on offense (Allen and Diggs) and three 2nds (Dawkins, Ford and Jones). So there is a slight tilt towards defense not helped by two of their three 2nd round picks on offense being their two biggest busts of the regime so far. That's a valid point. If Zay Jones and Cody Ford had worked out at least to be solid, steady players we'd probably feel differently about the draft capital on D I wasn't counting the 2017 draft because it preceded Beane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's a valid point. If Zay Jones and Cody Ford had worked out at least to be solid, steady players we'd probably feel differently about the draft capital on D I wasn't counting the 2017 draft because it preceded Beane Edmunds, Epenesa, Ed Oliver, Groot and Boogie need to work out for this teams long term success. That is a ton of draft capital invested that needs to turn into Pro Bowl players. May be it is the coaching that is stopping these men from becoming better players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's a valid point. If Zay Jones and Cody Ford had worked out at least to be solid, steady players we'd probably feel differently about the draft capital on D I wasn't counting the 2017 draft because it preceded Beane Yep, although Zay would not just have had to be solid but good enough to give a 2nd contract to as his rookie deal would be up by now. And is fair, I'd say even correct, to distinguish between 2017 and the Beane drafts. That draft that brought us White, Dawkins and Milano is one of the best Bills drafts in my memory. But it was a McDermott draft. Some big contract decisions on Beane guys coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: So including the pick for Diggs in 5 drafts of this regime the Bills have spent six first round picks and five second round picks on players (rather than as chips in trades for draft position). Of those two 1sts on offense (Allen and Diggs) and three 2nds (Dawkins, Ford and Jones). So there is a slight tilt towards defense not helped by two of their three 2nd round picks on offense being their two biggest busts of the regime so far. I had to scratch my head and think real hard anout who "Jones" was. I felt sad when I realized who you referred to and remembering that he was a Second Rd pick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 On 12/28/2021 at 12:57 PM, Rocky Landing said: I know Diggs was previously a first round pick, but the Bills spent a first round pick on him. IMO, that counts as a first round pick. Also, going forward, it's going to mean less as the Bills are likely going to be picking fairly late in upcoming drafts. That is, of course, based on the belief that the Bills are going to be a perennial playoff team for at least several years. The real elite rookie talent tends to be up in the top ten, or so picks. I'd love to see Beane trade up for a prime target-- I have a feeling he could negotiate a better deal than that misguided Whaley selling-the-farm for Watkins pick. I know he was previously a 5th round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 2 hours ago, without a drought said: I know he was previously a 5th round pick. Typo. Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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