Westside Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 I just drove past a billboard in Rochester saying racial equity, demand it! What exactly is it? What should be done about it? Who are the ones demanding it?
716er Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 If you're this triggered by a sign calling for racial equity, you must sh!t your pants every time you read or hear an MLK quote. 1 1
HamSandwhich Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 2 hours ago, 716er said: If you're this triggered by a sign calling for racial equity, you must sh!t your pants every time you read or hear an MLK quote. He was about equality not equity, there’s a BIG difference. Equity requires you to see things through the lense of race and apply benefits or take away benefits based on that. Equality = color blindness, which has gotten us to a much better place racially than anywhere in the world and any time in the world. Not perfect but the closest on earth. Equality yes, equity (socialism) never. 1 hour ago, LeviF said: Choosing MLK over Malcom X was a mistake. So you wanted a full fledged hot war? 1
Boatdrinks Posted December 27, 2021 Posted December 27, 2021 It means “ we ( 14% or so of population “ hate white people and demand ( and want lame brained caucasians to agree) that you give up what you’ve earned in life so that others ( us) can have it. This goes for anything and everything in society and if you disagree or think we live in a meritocracy you are racist. Imagine a Caucasian (perhaps yourself )living in say the Congo and demanding to be placed in power, given wealth etc for no reason other than the shade of your complexion. Then trying to convince the residents there that you deserve it. That’s pretty much what it means. 1 2
LeGOATski Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 6 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: It means “ we ( 14% or so of population “ hate white people and demand ( and want lame brained caucasians to agree) that you give up what you’ve earned in life so that others ( us) can have it. This goes for anything and everything in society and if you disagree or think we live in a meritocracy you are racist. Imagine a Caucasian (perhaps yourself )living in say the Congo and demanding to be placed in power, given wealth etc for no reason other than the shade of your complexion. Then trying to convince the residents there that you deserve it. That’s pretty much what it means. I agree that equity is wrong in the way you define it under this context. However, I don't think that's the right way to look at it. I think of equity as ensuring the same opportunities and equality as ensuring those opportunities are genuine. Think of it in terms of the NFL's Rooney Rule 1. being implemented (equity) and 2. being executed correctly and with integrity (equality). Equity is not the same as paying reparations as long as it's focused on the future and not the past. Ensuring equality is just a matter of time, IMO. I think the right processes are mostly in place.
SoCal Deek Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 It’s obvious…racial equity means that everyone has to have a race. Done!
Boatdrinks Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 36 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I agree that equity is wrong in the way you define it under this context. However, I don't think that's the right way to look at it. I think of equity as ensuring the same opportunities and equality as ensuring those opportunities are genuine. Think of it in terms of the NFL's Rooney Rule 1. being implemented (equity) and 2. being executed correctly and with integrity (equality). Equity is not the same as paying reparations as long as it's focused on the future and not the past. Ensuring equality is just a matter of time, IMO. I think the right processes are mostly in place. Well that’s the way proponents of “ equity” look at it. What they want is the same outcome for everyone and that’s not right. In school if some can’t meet the standard,, then the standard is removed ( no more gifted and talented , advance placement etc) because it must be racist. We already have equality, no further processes are necessary. Opportunity is available for anyone who wants to follow the rules and strive to meet the standards. A world where the individual is celebrated regardless of whether they meet the standards is stupid. I think we all want engineers that can get the right answer to a math calculation, only the best pilots to fly planes, the most competent doctors etc.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 40 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I agree that equity is wrong in the way you define it under this context. However, I don't think that's the right way to look at it. I think of equity as ensuring the same opportunities and equality as ensuring those opportunities are genuine. Think of it in terms of the NFL's Rooney Rule 1. being implemented (equity) and 2. being executed correctly and with integrity (equality). Equity is not the same as paying reparations as long as it's focused on the future and not the past. Ensuring equality is just a matter of time, IMO. I think the right processes are mostly in place. I like your attempt at an explanation, most importantly the implementation of a rule designed for the greater good. While imperfect (and often times, simply tolerated) the intent seems honorable. It’s their game. Interestingly, the NFL from a player perspective takes an entirely different tact when it comes to equity. That definition seems to be “survival of the fittest” or “best man for the job” regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation etc. Feelings, it would seem, need not apply. From the player’s perspective, of course, equity and fairness isn’t really a thing either. There are players commanding massive paydays at the expense of others sharing from the same pool of money, and those earning a mere pittance relative to the pool of money available. Still, you occasionally hear of a player taking less money than they might otherwise command to improve the team’s position and by extension, spread the money around a bit. I think the entire scheme provides a glimpse into the complexities associated with such lofty aspirations as “equity” and “fairness”. I agree we’re getting…better…in some ways, and as a society getting dumber by the minute in others.
LeGOATski Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Well that’s the way proponents of “ equity” look at it. What they want is the same outcome for everyone and that’s not right. In school if some can’t meet the standard,, then the standard is removed ( no more gifted and talented , advance placement etc) because it must be racist. We already have equality, no further processes are necessary. Opportunity is available for anyone who wants to follow the rules and strive to meet the standards. A world where the individual is celebrated regardless of whether they meet the standards is stupid. I think we all want engineers that can get the right answer to a math calculation, only the best pilots to fly planes, the most competent doctors etc. Opportunities are not equal at this time, but I don't think it's necessarily a racial thing. It's a class thing. Always has been. What amounts to a bunny hill for one class, the same thing amounts to Mt Everest for another class. Generations of racial minorities circumstantially exist in the lower class. How do you ensure that these opportunities even out? That's extremely hard to do.
Boatdrinks Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Opportunities are not equal at this time, but I don't think it's necessarily a racial thing. It's a class thing. Always has been. What amounts to a bunny hill for one class, the same thing amounts to Mt Everest for another class. Generations of racial minorities circumstantially exist in the lower class. How do you ensure that these opportunities even out? That's extremely hard to do. I agree with that , we’re talking about differences in economic status. The simple answer is that you don’t. In a free capitalist society, there will be differences in economic status and some will have a path with fewer obstacles. This doesn’t mean that opportunities are not there for those willing to work for them. The standards are the same regardless of advantages that may exist at home etc. People with seemingly every advantage still fail, and those who had few advantages have become wildly successful. That’s the beauty of America. It truly is the land of opportunity for anyone with the wherewithal to take advantage of it. It doesn’t mean it will be easy, or that everyone will start from the exact same point. The great thing about America is that economic class isn’t static. Where you start doesn’t have to be where you end up. Edited December 28, 2021 by Boatdrinks 1
Westside Posted December 28, 2021 Author Posted December 28, 2021 21 hours ago, 716er said: If you're this triggered by a sign calling for racial equity, you must sh!t your pants every time you read or hear an MLK quote. Not triggered at all. Questioning something doesn’t mean you’re triggered. Handing out free money and not earning it will never work. You want to rise up in society you better be prepared to work your ass off. Is the world fair? Do we all start out on a even playing field? Hell no!! There are programs out there that are targeted to POC that are not available to whites. Even if they are poor. They’re not eligible, is that fair? Nope, but that’s life. The sooner you learn life isn’t fair, the better off you’ll be. 4
SoCal Deek Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 12 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Opportunities are not equal at this time, but I don't think it's necessarily a racial thing. It's a class thing. Always has been. What amounts to a bunny hill for one class, the same thing amounts to Mt Everest for another class. Generations of racial minorities circumstantially exist in the lower class. How do you ensure that these opportunities even out? That's extremely hard to do. How do you straighten it out? Simple…hard work, family structure, and a cultural dedication to education. Don’t believe me? Ask the millions of Asian, Indian, and Muslim immigrants who are a living testimony to what I describe above. Or…does their skin color not count? Systemic racism, my arse! 1 1 2
LeviF Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Westside said: Not triggered at all. Questioning something doesn’t mean you’re triggered. Handing out free money and not earning it will never work. You want to rise up in society you better be prepared to work your ass off. Is the world fair? Do we all start out on a even playing field? Hell no!! There are programs out there that are targeted to POC that are not available to whites. Even if they are poor. They’re not eligible, is that fair? Nope, but that’s life. The sooner you learn life isn’t fair, the better off you’ll be. I listened to a twitter space on reparations that was entirely POC speakers and man, it's incredible what they base their arguments on. Not on history, not even a legitimate engagement with reality. For example, they were calling for a minority business loan program. Had no idea that several exist. Another was saying they should get funneled government contracts. Anyone who works with the government is well aware of the various programs that prioritize and even guarantee MWBE participation. 2 1
LeviF Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) Btw, if you use the words "equity" and "equality" in any context other than describing the pillars of an incredible political and ideological failure, you're doomed to repeat said failure and dooming us to watch it all over again. You're incapable of introspection or serious thought about your belief systems and your intellectual peers created ruins out of a great republic and shitholes out of beautiful cities. Edited December 28, 2021 by LeviF 1
JaCrispy Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) Racial equity is not only misguided, but impossible without tyrannical government force...It is actually the opposite of equality, and anyone who advocates for it shows how ignorant they are of history, and how much they need to read a book...👍 Edited December 28, 2021 by JaCrispy 1
Irv Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 What does that even mean? I swear these dolts make up new phrases just to if they will stick. What a mess. 1
SoCal Deek Posted December 28, 2021 Posted December 28, 2021 49 minutes ago, LeviF said: Btw, if you use the words "equity" and "equality" in any context other than describing the pillars of an incredible political and ideological failure, you're doomed to repeat said failure and dooming us to watch it all over again. You're incapable of introspection or serious thought about your belief systems and your intellectual peers created ruins out of a great republic and shitholes out of beautiful cities. You must also be on the lookout for the more often used ‘empathy’ buzzword. That’s become the catch all phrase for EVERYTHING on the Left. It’s now the gold standard. Hard to believe God forgot to put it in the Ten Commandments!
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