Why Cole or Isaiah?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:25 PM, pennstate10 said:

Beasley still has reliable hands and gets separation in zone. 
 

but he’s lost a step or two, doesn’t separate consistently in man, has become a team nuisance, and costs about 5x as much as mckittrick. NFL cap is a zero sum game. You can’t have everything you want. 

 

He separates just fine , he still gets open and fights for first downs, they actually have to throw it to like in Miami, Washington and Tampa.

 

 

On 12/26/2021 at 8:27 PM, 716er said:

 

In 2022 Cole shouldn't be penciled in as a starter. 

 

guess we'll find out

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:30 PM, billsbackto81 said:

Isaiah really showed me something today. He's not as shifty in the slot as Beasley but his separation and speed create more YAC than Cole.

 

He does but as i said no reason both cant be on the field at the same time.

 

 

22 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Other things being equal I agree with you

But

We’re going to need to find cap space from somewhere

 

 

 

 

He can be restructured along with star and cutting Ford and Feliciano and Sanders will be gone. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Love Beasley, but his numbers have been declining the last 2 months. After playing the Dolphins on 10/31 he was averaging 62 ypg, since then he's averaged 34.

 

 McKenzie has the same number of TDs & 100 yard games as Beasley with 78 less targets.

 

You mean like in the Tampa?

 

Hes not declining its all in how Dabol game plans but when we feature the slot guys this team does a lot better.

 

Like was done in NE with Welker and edleman.

 

 

[716er]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

He can be restructured along with star and cutting Ford and Feliciano and Sanders will be gone. 

 

Good point - Sanders is out next year too, though Beane will likely go for another vet for a one year deal to round out the WR corps. Though would Beane do the same next year now that Davis has established himself? Not sure there.

 

One point my father made today that I have not thought of - the Bills are now in a position of strength when it comes to luring in free agent WRs. Buffalo has one of the best QBs in the league who is going to sling it all over the field. If Beane makes a competitive offer, odds are the WR he is going after is going to want to play with the best QB to increase their odds of having a big year and making more money down the road. 

 

Makes me curious who Beane would make an offer to. He's shown he is not scared to go after big names to play with Allen (ie Antonio Brown, Diggs). Now that he got his guy, though, is he done big game hunting there?

Edited December 28, 2021 by 716er

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Good point - Sanders is out next year too, though Beane will likely go for another vet for a one year deal to round out the WR corps. Though would Beane do the same next year now that Davis has established himself? Not sure there.

 

One point my father made today that I have not thought of - the Bills are now in a position of strength when it comes to luring in free agent WRs. Buffalo has one of the best QBs in the league who is going to sling it all over the field. If Beane makes a competitive offer, odds are the WR he is going after is going to want to play with the best QB to increase their odds of having a big year and making more money down the road. 

 

Makes me curious who Beane would make an offer to. He's shown he is not scared to go after big names to play with Allen (ie Antonio Brown, Diggs). Now that he got his guy, though, is he done big game hunting there?

 

I dont see them going big game hunting but i do hope we improve the interior of both lines. I think we are good at WR right now, although im still peeved about not going after Ertz, stud TE who went for peanuts

 

 

[Saxum]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:34 PM, BillsFanForever19 said:

Why? Because he's getting old, beat up, and has been largely ineffective this season. Not to mention his being fined 6 digits for habitually not following league rules (which could have contributed to other issues with this team) and continues to be a giant distraction, going out of his way to publicly feed the media fodder. When we needed him the most, his "personal choice" made him unavailable to us.

 

Actually he proved that we did not need him the most for we won.

 

And he may not even have COVID-19 standard and my have Omicron which is very contagious even though to those vaccinated.

It is possible a lot of people who are not tested have it and are asymptomatic.

Some get it, fight it off and then no longer test.

 

It would be nice if the NFL would give more info such as:   Beasley suspended due to test showing following variants: .xxx, xxx,  xxx but they won't.

 

[Just in Atlanta]

To make this simple, I’ll let you figure out which of these players is which sandwich.

 

My go-to sandwich is a pastrami on rye.

 

Yesterday, I had a meatball sub.

 

It was delicious.

 

I enjoyed it more than the pastrami on rye.

 

I must never eat a pastrami on rye again.

 

 

 

[17islongenough]

Just now, Just in Atlanta said:

To make this simple, I’ll let you figure out which of these players is which sandwich.

 

My go-to sandwich is a pastrami on rye.

 

Yesterday, I had a meatball sub.

 

It was delicious.

 

I enjoyed it more than the pastrami on rye.

 

I must never eat a pastrami on rye again.

 

 

 

Would you stop eating pastrami on rye if meant saving a few million dollars

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

You mean like in the Tampa?

 

Hes not declining its all in how Dabol game plans but when we feature the slot guys this team does a lot better.

 

Like was done in NE with Welker and edleman.

 

 

 

 That's his best game in 2 months. 9 catches for 64 yards, 7.1 Avg; 0 First Down catches & no TDs. His yards in the other games since October 33, 15, 23, 46, 11 & 35. He doesn't have a single First Down catch in his last 5 games.

 

 He doesn't score and isn't even getting any First Downs. I like him, but I think it's time to move on....like make McKenzie the starter immediately. Him and Gabe, time to get younger at the WR positions opposite of Diggs.

[billieve420]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:10 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Get rid of somebody else, you dont get rid of a pretty good player because another is better after the catch. Beasley has come up big for us and gotten many first downs. Id get rid of Stevenson before Beasley.

 

 

 

Yawn

 

 

Won’t happen because Stevenson is on cheap rookie contract. Both lines need upgrading and if you can do it by going cheaper with McKenzie while not losing much FO has to consider it in the offseason.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:04 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So sick of fans saying we should get rid of Beasley and keep McKenzie.

 

Here is an idea , keep them both and play them at the same time on some plays.

 

Why get rid of a good player when you can get rid of the worst player on the team, when the offseason comes.

 

And this goes for all positions.

 

 

It’s not about getting rid of anyone for me.

 

But it’s this Coaching staff and their Holy Trinity rule of Diggs, Sanders and Beasley to where Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie have to sit on the bench and watch those three.

 

Sorry, but it’s been evident all season that Beasley has lost a step and it’s also evident that this offense is at its best with pre-snap motion.

 

This staff looks stupid for not using McKenzie until they were forced to in Week 16.

 

And they did this last year after the Dolphins game in Week 17. He scores 2 TDs and they just took him straight out of the offense for the Playoff run. 
 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

4 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Here is what McKenzie Brings that Beasley no longer can. 
 

 

Looks like McKenzie primarily lined up at the Y receiver position which is Coles primary position. 

 

McKenzie shows alot of versatility in that you can line him up at the Z position as well.

 

I would bring Cole as a backup for the Y in 2022 and start McKenzie at the Y.

 

But I doubt Cole will want to be a backup and with a pay cut as well

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

You mean like in the Tampa?

 

Hes not declining its all in how Dabol game plans but when we feature the slot guys this team does a lot better.

 

Like was done in NE with Welker and edleman.

 

TBH, I do think Beasley has fallen off a good bit this year.  I think he's not as fast and not as quick - of course I could be influenced by his play after the Spearing in the Miami game, perhaps he was quicker before that.

 

But watching McKenzie, I thought it was noticeable that he ran his routes far more quickly than Beasley does.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

21 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

It’s not about getting rid of anyone for me.

 

But it’s this Coaching staff and their Holy Trinity rule of Diggs, Sanders and Beasley to where Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie have to sit on the bench and watch those three.

 

Sorry, but it’s been evident all season that Beasley has lost a step and it’s also evident that this offense is at its best with pre-snap motion.

 

This staff looks stupid for not using McKenzie until they were forced to in Week 16.

 

And they did this last year after the Dolphins game in Week 17. He scores 2 TDs and they just took him straight out of the offense for the Playoff run. 
 

 

It reminds me of when they kept playing Gore even though it was evident after the first 4-5 games he began declining quickly and Singletary was doing very well.

 

[purple haze]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:04 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So sick of fans saying we should get rid of Beasley and keep McKenzie.

 

Here is an idea , keep them both and play them at the same time on some plays.

 

Why get rid of a good player when you can get rid of the worst player on the team, when the offseason comes.

 

And this goes for all positions.

 

 

Because Beasley costs more and they need money to improve other areas of the team they aren’t as strong in or to extend players that are part of their nucleus for the next few years.  McKenzie is younger, faster and won’t cost near as much.

 

It ain’t personal.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Looks like McKenzie primarily lined up at the Y receiver position which is Coles primary position. 

 

McKenzie shows alot of versatility in that you can line him up at the Z position as well.

 

I would bring Cole as a backup for the Y in 2022 and start McKenzie at the Y.

 

But I doubt Cole will want to be a backup and with a pay cut as well

I don’t care what Cole wants.

 

Come back at vet minimum or you’re out of here.

 

At this point you offer zero big play ability.

 

Finding guys who give you 8.5 yards per reception and no run after the catch are not the key to the any offense. 
 

He’s been a loudmouth this year and has fallen off. 
 

Isaiah McKenzie was better yesterday than all but maybe one of your games this season.

 

This Coaching Staff deserves criticism for not figuring out how to give McKenzie more touches. He showed them in the Jets game that a few touches leads to touchdowns, he showed the same thing Week 17 last year.

 

And it never seems to matter to McDermott. It’s more important to get Taiwan Jones on the field, or get Reggie Gilliam 6 snaps.

1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

It reminds me of when they kept playing Gore even though it was evident after the first 4-5 games he began declining quickly and Singletary was doing very well.

 

Amen man, that was the worst and such a boat anchor that dragged that team down.

 

Frank Gore was beyond shot and instead of Singletary shining against Houston, it was Frank Gore for 8 wasted carries.

 

The Bills have done a poor job with McKenzie despite him showing production in next to no role in this offense. 

[Ray Stonada]

I just hope the Bills ride with McKenzie and Davis as the starters for the playoff run. At this point Beasley and Sanders don’t look anywhere near as dynamic.

 

Start the guys who produce the most. Teams respond well to that.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

18 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 That's his best game in 2 months. 9 catches for 64 yards, 7.1 Avg; 0 First Down catches & no TDs. His yards in the other games since October 33, 15, 23, 46, 11 & 35. He doesn't have a single First Down catch in his last 5 games.

 

 He doesn't score and isn't even getting any First Downs. I like him, but I think it's time to move on....like make McKenzie the starter immediately. Him and Gabe, time to get younger at the WR positions opposite of Diggs.

 

Doesnt get first down!?!? Thats just wrong, he constantly fights for first downs , he doesnt get a ton of yak yards but he will get 3 or 4 yards to get that first down.

He also had big games against Washington and Miami and he had four other games were he was solid.  Most of Beasley 's production depends on if hes targeted or not, cant score or have a lot of receptions if the ball isnt thrown his way.

 

Again the whole point of this thread isnt to say who is better but that we should keep both.

 

 

[WotAGuy]

While we are scheming ways to play players that play the same position, let’s get Trubisky out there with Josh. They can both be in the shotgun. No telling who gets the snap!

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Doesnt get first down!?!? Thats just wrong, he constantly fights for first downs , he doesnt get a ton of yak yards but he will get 3 or 4 yards to get that first down.

He also had big games against Washington and Miami and he had four other games were he was solid.  Most of Beasley 's production depends on if hes targeted or not, cant score or have a lot of receptions if the ball isnt thrown his way.

 

Again the whole point of this thread isnt to say who is better but that we should keep both.

 

 

 

Beasley had 53 first downs last year in 15 games, this year in 14 games he has 32. That's a big drop-off. Last year he had 967 yards, this year 640, that's also a big drop-off. TDs down from 4 last year ti 1 this year 

 

Also most of Beasley's production was in the first half of the year, but his numbers are way down since the end of October. Case in point he has 179 yards in his last 5 games(That includes the Tampa game).

 

 That's what happens to aging vets they start the year off great and then their numbers drop like a rock in the 2nd half of the year. It's happening to Sanders also, their years have been identical, good 1st half of the year, with little since. It's literally happening to 2 of our 3 starting WRs, yet Gabe & McKenzie come in and have no problem producing in the same offense.

 

 So do I believe they abandoned the slot position since the beginning of November until last week? Or is age and the hits he's taken throughout his career starting to catch up to Beasley, has he lost a step or two?

 

 The offense was far more dynamic Sunday than it's been in quite a while and McKenzie had a ton to do with that. It's time to get younger at WR, the offense just looks better when Gabe & McKenzie are on the field.