GDT: Browns @ Packers, Christmas Day, 4:30 PM Eastern

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

my goodness, the play calling. The Browns averaged 8.8 yards per carry. Chubb and D'Ernest were gashing them. And you let out of sorts Baker throw it 36 times!!!

 

Three straight passes after getting a first down near midfield with three time outs in hand. Terrible coaching.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Wow. I had to stop watching at halftime and thought the game was over. How were the Browns able to come back? 

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Wow. I had to stop watching at halftime and thought the game was over. How were the Browns able to come back? 

Tbh the packers D is average at best 

[cle23]

17 minutes ago, RJ (not THAT RJ) said:

 

Three straight passes after getting a first down near midfield with three time outs in hand. Terrible coaching.

 

You also have a rookie kicker in his first game who was shaky at best. You can't play for a 45 yard field goal.

[Chandler#81]

So, does the Browns loss help us any should we lose tomorrow?

[YoloinOhio]

 

[HappyDays]

Just now, Chandler#81 said:

So, does the Browns loss help us any should we lose tomorrow?

 

Yes. The Browns getting to 8 losses means they are not a threat if you're assuming we end at 10-7. We want the Ravens to lose 2 more, and the Steelers and Raiders to lose 1 more each.

[Solomon Grundy]

35 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

Baker may be getting his own plane back home too, but for different reasons. 😆

Is it okay to say Baker is trash? 

31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Tbh the packers D is average at best 

Looks a lot like the Bills defense. Can't stop the run. Good against the pass

[Talley56]

I recall, from the highlights of last week’s GB/Balt game, the Ravens getting called for a PI jersey grab that was very similar to the one that was not called on GB vs Cleveland on the int in tonight’s game.  In the Ravens game I believe it was on a 3rd and 10 and would have most likely led to a Packers FG attempt.  Instead, GB ends up scoring a touchdown.  More inconsistencies in calls.

[Nextmanup]

Wow, the Browns got screwed on the DPI call that never came on the INT that finished the game.

 

If that play had happened to the Bills in the same game, this place would be melting down right now.

 

🤭

[CNYfan]

I think neither Baker nor Wentz can take a team to the Super Bowl.  

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

1 hour ago, cle23 said:

 

You also have a rookie kicker in his first game who was shaky at best. You can't play for a 45 yard field goal.

 

I'll buy that... though they did have runners ripping off larger gains than the 10-yard and under throws Baker was attempting. Mix it up, at least.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I wanted baker Mayfield, so glad that didn't happen

 

 

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Is it okay to say Baker is trash? 

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Wow, the Browns got screwed on the DPI call that never came on the INT that finished the game.

 

If that play had happened to the Bills in the same game, this place would be melting down right now.

 

🤭

 

 

I still like it as a no call - watch the way at 5 yards People-Jones really leans into Douglas and then pushes off right at the break.  He completely extends his left arm into Douglas right shoulder to try and gain separation.

 

Does Douglas hold - yep, but I think you have just as much OPI going on with how the route was run.  
 

That to me is not blatant PI - that is allowing two guys to play each other.  The offensive guy drove into him to maintain contact and pushed off.  The defender grabbed the jersey, but didn’t pull him out of his break.

 

The issue is what do you want as an outcome - Packers fans would be ticked if they called the flag to negate a game winning Int on a play the WR pushed off, the Browns are ticked it wasn’t called.  I think that makes sense as a no call then.

 

 

[ganesh]

One thing watching this game.  Nick Chubb looks and reminds so much of Thurman Thomas.  I wishing we had a back like him.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

The Browns got hosed BUT all the Browns had to do was RUN THE BALL. 3 timeouts and and the Pack couldn't stop the run.

We’ve seen this before though and discussed this.

 

The build of their team ultimately is wrong.

 

It’s hard to win by constantly leaning on the run game, and trying to hide/manage your Quarterback, because we’ve seen over and over that Baker can’t win you a game from behind.

 

It’s just a fine line to try and win like that, always depending on playing with a lead and milking clock. 

 

The Browns have been hit with injuries and COVID all season, no Wills, no Tretter, no Clowney, Conklin gone for the year. 

 

To win the way they’re trying to win would take an elite level defense, Mayfield can’t be trusted to do anything but manage games. 

Edited December 26, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Maine-iac]

4 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

I still like it as a no call - watch the way at 5 yards People-Jones really leans into Douglas and then pushes off right at the break.  He completely extends his left arm into Douglas right shoulder to try and gain separation.

 

Does Douglas hold - yep, but I think you have just as much OPI going on with how the route was run.  
 

That to me is not blatant PI - that is allowing two guys to play each other.  The offensive guy drove into him to maintain contact and pushed off.  The defender grabbed the jersey, but didn’t pull him out of his break.

 

The issue is what do you want as an outcome - Packers fans would be ticked if they called the flag to negate a game winning Int on a play the WR pushed off, the Browns are ticked it wasn’t called.  I think that makes sense as a no call then.

 

 

I think like you said they made contact before 5 yards which is allowed and the cb was going to jam him and he was being physical with the cb but I'm never going to say a fist full of jersey shouldn't draw a penalty.

[Nextmanup]

6 hours ago, CNYfan said:

I think neither Baker nor Wentz can take a team to the Super Bowl.  

I think both could, actually...but they would need to get substantial help along the way, or there would need to be some special circumstance that allowed it.  It would be unlikely. 

 

 

58 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

I think like you said they made contact before 5 yards which is allowed and the cb was going to jam him and he was being physical with the cb but I'm never going to say a fist full of jersey shouldn't draw a penalty.

I thought it was a penalty FOR SURE.  

 

The defender *slightly* impeded the receiver's ability to initiate the break and come back for the ball, and that is exactly what created the space for the defender to be in the right place, the receiver to be in the wrong place, and for the defender to catch the ball instead of the receiver.

 

Slight advantage gained, but that's still enough to make it a penalty all day long.

 

The problem with this league is some times they call that, some times they don't, you don't know which call you'll get, and they are not even consistent within the same game with the same group of officials.

It's a mess and has to be one of the leading problems facing the NFL.

 

 

[GoBills808]

6 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

I still like it as a no call - watch the way at 5 yards People-Jones really leans into Douglas and then pushes off right at the break.  He completely extends his left arm into Douglas right shoulder to try and gain separation.

 

Does Douglas hold - yep, but I think you have just as much OPI going on with how the route was run.  
 

That to me is not blatant PI - that is allowing two guys to play each other.  The offensive guy drove into him to maintain contact and pushed off.  The defender grabbed the jersey, but didn’t pull him out of his break.

 

The issue is what do you want as an outcome - Packers fans would be ticked if they called the flag to negate a game winning Int on a play the WR pushed off, the Browns are ticked it wasn’t called.  I think that makes sense as a no call then.

 

 

Same

 

 Wideout initiated contact, DB maintained leverage without grabbing

 

 no foul