Gabe Davis on covid list

[Bangarang]

2 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

Can we play the game first?  

I’ll allow it

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The data from the Bills does not bear this out.

 

We would have to know the number of unvaccinated players to use that data properly. If Davis and Beasley are the only unvaccinated players on the team (not likely) then the Bills have a 100% unvaccinated covid rate. If you assume Dodson, Klein, Dawkins, Feliciano, and Ford are all vaccinated, that's a 10% vaccinated covid rate. To be more exact we would have to look at the NFL as a whole. But it's logical that unvaccinated players are substantially more likely to miss games since they are tested daily versus infrequently at random. Even if the vaccine offers zero protection against infection of the omicron variant unvaccinated players are still more likely to miss games just because of the protocol.

Edited December 24, 2021 by HappyDays

[Steptide]

Daboll needs to step up big in this game. Put his players in position to make plays. Obviously guys are gonna have to step up. Put them in position to make plays 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

Is Cody Ford vaccinated?

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Andy1 said:

They should put everything outside - practice, meetings, etc. 

they’ve been practicing outside and meetings have been virtual per McDermott today 

[finn]

28 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

As they should ... it's their bodies and I respect their right to personal choice. 

Yeah, but it's not like their choice affects just them. Unvaccinated people are more likely to get the virus, more likely to spread it (potentially killing or damaging many others), and more likely to end up in the hospital, which the rest of us pay for either outright if they can't pay for it, or in higher insurance costs.

 

How do people miss this point? People boast they're unvaccinated as if they're brave or free thinking, instead of dense, ignorant, reckless and selfish. And people like you (although I'm sure you're not any of these) say they respect them. Really hard to understand. 

[FireChans]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

We would have to know the number of unvaccinated players to use that data properly. If Davis and Beasley are the only unvaccinated players on the team (not likely) then the Bills have a 100% unvaccinated covid rate. If you assume Dodson, Klein, Dawkins, Feliciano, and Ford are all vaccinated, that's a 10% vaccinated covid rats. To be more exact we would have to look at the NFL as a whole. But it's logical that unvaccinated players are substantially more likely to miss games since they are tested daily versus infrequently at random. Even if the vaccine offers zero protection against infection of the omicron variant unvaccinated players are still more likely too miss games just because of the protocol.

But theoretical risk and realized risk are different right? 
 

Is this risk realized? I would argue no. Beasley and Gabe will have missed one game. Dawkins has missed, Feliciano has missed etc etc.

[Alphadawg7]

10 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

That's the purpose now.

Always was.  Not one time ever has the vaccine been touted to keep you from getting it 100%.  Just like the flu shot doesn’t guarantee you won’t get it.  
 

If people want to listen to fake biased media or social media to get a different impression, well that’s on them.  
 

But at no point has it ever been the case that the vaccine makes you immune to COVID.  

[HappyDays]

Just now, FireChans said:

Is this risk realized? I would argue no. Beasley and Gabe will have missed one game. Dawkins has missed, Feliciano has missed etc etc.

 

If every player on the Bills was unvaccinated we would likely be without a team over the coming weeks. Since the large majority are vaccinated we are instead without just a few players like most teams are dealing with right now. You can't just count the number of vaccinated players on the covid reserve list and call it a day. There are substantially more vaccinated players than unvaccinated. The risk is the probability of missing games and clearly the unvaccinated have a much greater probability. The two players that I knew for a fact were unvaccinated ended up testing positive for covid. I wish I knew for sure which other players are unvaccinated.

[Jauronimo]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Always was.  Not one time ever has the vaccine been touted to keep you from getting it 100%.  Just like the flu shot doesn’t guarantee you won’t get it.  
 

If people want to listen to fake biased media or social media to get a different impression, well that’s on them.  
 

But at no point has it ever been the case that the vaccine makes you immune to COVID.  

No, it was 99% effective in preventing Covid.  Until 6 months later it was largely ineffective.  And that was never the intention.  Lets not pretend this was the plan all along.

[Utah John]

3 hours ago, Steptide said:

If they didn't do it for the Browns the other night,  they're not gonna do it for anyone else 

But they DID delay the Browns game to try to give their players a chance to return.  That should be considered for our game as well.

[Big Blitz]

At Arizona

 

 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, galept said:

 

As I've said three times now, NFL protocols allow vaccinated players to return more quickly. Some fans seem to somehow ignore the fact that there's a difference.

Not much of a difference when vaxxed players are still missing 1-2 games.  
 

Cole likely only misses one game.  It’s more about timing. 

[wppete]

It will be very interesting to see how many players refuse to get a “Booster” by the playoffs and revert back to being “unvaccinated”. This can really affect teams chances in the playoffs. I suspect a good percentage of players will opt not to… I really hope the Bills don’t get affected by this and we escape the worst of it. 

[transplantbillsfan]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

At Arizona

 

 

 

Hope they lose.

[RobbRiddick]

It'll be a miracle if we don't get massacred. 

 

Josh is going to have to have his game of the season to win this now. I hope he just takes off running every time there's nothing open. To hell with staying behind the line of scrimmage, looking for a deep pass and risking a sack, just take off and try and get those first downs.

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Buffalo619 said:

This game should be rescheduled. Too big to have an illness affect the outcome. 

in my extremely biased opinion, yes it should

 

But, it won’t.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Not much of a difference when vaxxed players are still missing 1-2 games.  

 

There is a difference. Most vaccinated players are not missing games. As far as I can tell most unvaccinated players are missing games. If there's a difference of let's say 30% to 70% (I have to make up numbers because the NFL doesn't put this data out there), you can't point to the 30% and use that as proof that it doesn't matter.

 

The new protocols actually make the discrepancy between vaccinated and unvaccinated players even higher because now vaccinated players are tested less frequently than they were before.

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

No, it was 99% effective in preventing Covid.  Until 6 months later it was largely ineffective.  And that was never the intention.  Lets not pretend this was the plan all along.

95% in Pfizer’s case but yes.

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If every player on the Bills was unvaccinated we would likely be without a team over the coming weeks. Since the large majority are vaccinated we are instead without just a few players like most teams are dealing with right now. You can't just count the number of vaccinated players on the covid reserve list and call it a day. There are substantially more vaccinated players than unvaccinated. The risk is the probability of missing games and clearly the unvaccinated have a much greater probability. The two players that I knew for a fact were unvaccinated ended up testing positive for covid. I wish I knew for sure which other players are unvaccinated.

So basically all we needed was herd immunity and Cole and Gabe’s decision didn’t really make a difference then

[Max Fischer]

43 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

A few of the local Bills beat reporters sharing it on Twitter.  Matt Bove and Buffalo Rumblings say dawk is out. 

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/12/24/22852959/bills-add-two-more-starters-to-covid-19-list-ahead-of-game-vs-patriots

it may soon be moot but the article doesn’t say Dawkins is officially out.