Games that were rescheduled were almost canceled...NFLPA stepped in to push NFL to reschedule

[Big Turk]

The teams with COVID outbreaks were going to forfeit but players on neither team would have gotten paid.

NFLPA wasn't cool with that and pushed hard to reschedule them. NFL gave in and rescheduled them.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-news-jc-tretter-nfl-wanted-cancel-games-union-postponements-to-pay-players-164215312.html

The Raiders questioned if JC Tretter, head of the players' union, pushed back games for his team's own good.

Edited December 22, 2021 by Big Turk

[GLP]

Yup, cancelled games mean that player's won't get their game checks. That's when the unvaccinated will hear it from the vaccinated. Major dissention in the locker room, just what every team needs come playoff time.

[BuffaloBillyG]

  On 12/22/2021 at 5:02 PM, Big Turk said:

The teams with COVID outbreaks were going to forfeit but players on neither team would have gotten paid.

NFLPA wasn't cool with that and pushed hard to reschedule them. NFL gave in and rescheduled them.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-news-jc-tretter-nfl-wanted-cancel-games-union-postponements-to-pay-players-164215312.html

The Raiders questioned if JC Tretter, head of the players' union, pushed back games for his team's own good.

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When the NFL announced before the season games would be cancelled due to outbreak (and players not paid) the NFLPA didn't throw a fuss and fight it.

 

Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for them. I feel bad for the people that invested time and money to go to a game (many traveling from out of town) that gets moved to a day/time when they can't make it. Season ticket holders that invested their money but can't make a Tuesday game on short notice due to work/family commitments. 

[Albany,n.y.]

Here's another angle.  Season future bets on win totals are based on each team playing 17 games.  My future bets say if they don't play 17 games the bet doesn't stand.  That means both the casinos & winning bettors lose out and the bets get refunded.  

[MJS]

I think it's better to try to play all the games. Plus, with vaccinated players testing positive due to the new variant, things are different now than they were before the season.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

  On 12/22/2021 at 5:10 PM, GLP said:

Yup, cancelled games mean that player's won't get their game checks. That's when the unvaccinated will hear it from the vaccinated. Major dissention in the locker room, just what every team needs come playoff time.

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Given the NFL's overall stat that 93-94% of the players are vaccinated, it's kind of hard to see unvaccinated players as driving these outbreaks. 

 

  On 12/22/2021 at 5:19 PM, No Place To Hyde said:

When the NFL announced before the season games would be cancelled due to outbreak (and players not paid) the NFLPA didn't throw a fuss and fight it.

 

Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for them. I feel bad for the people that invested time and money to go to a game (many traveling from out of town) that gets moved to a day/time when they can't make it. Season ticket holders that invested their money but can't make a Tuesday game on short notice due to work/family commitments. 

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The "before the season" thing I recall was "if the games are cancelled due to an outbreak caused by unvaccinated players". 

I think the NFLPA had to agree to that as part of the negotiations to allow vaccination to be voluntary for players.

 

I don't think either side agreed on/specified what would happen if an outbreak was spread in the locker room by both vaccinated and unvaccinated players.

[StHustle]

  On 12/22/2021 at 5:36 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Given the NFL's overall stat that 94% of the players are vaccinated, it's kind of hard to see unvaccinated players as driving these outbreaks.

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Bingo! It's clear that the vaccinated spread it much more. Now the NFL won't even test these guys so now all eyes on the unvaxed. Really unfair imo. Can someone explain to me how unvaxed put others in danger that vaxed dont?

[Lagoon Blues]

No matter what happens at least half of everybody will be pissed off.  But, thats just kind of the world we live in now.

Edited December 22, 2021 by Lagoon Blues

[Hapless Bills Fan]

  On 12/22/2021 at 5:40 PM, StHustle said:

Bingo! It's clear that the vaccinated spread it much more. Now the NFL won't even test these guys so now all eyes on the unvaxed. Really unfair imo. Can someone explain to me how unvaxed put others in danger that vaxed dont?

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No, that's not clear 'the vaccinated spread it much more'.  

And No, we're not going to do a general discussion of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated spread here.

[StHustle]

  On 12/22/2021 at 5:43 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No, that's not clear 'the vaccinated spread it much more'.  

And No, we're not going to do a general discussion of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated spread here.

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Gotcha...and it's clear because it's many more of them. I was enforcing your original point. 6% unvaxxed isn't driving the issue. 

[Mark Vader]

  On 12/22/2021 at 5:19 PM, No Place To Hyde said:

When the NFL announced before the season games would be cancelled due to outbreak (and players not paid) the NFLPA didn't throw a fuss and fight it.

 

Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for them. I feel bad for the people that invested time and money to go to a game (many traveling from out of town) that gets moved to a day/time when they can't make it. Season ticket holders that invested their money but can't make a Tuesday game on short notice due to work/family commitments. 

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Yes. As always, the fans are the ones who get screwed.

[cba fan]

  On 12/22/2021 at 5:20 PM, Albany,n.y. said:

Here's another angle.  Season future bets on win totals are based on each team playing 17 games.  My future bets say if they don't play 17 games the bet doesn't stand.  That means both the casinos & winning bettors lose out and the bets get refunded.  

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that's bs. If you bet 10 and team wins 10 or more you should win the bet regardless of how many total games your bet plays.

 

personally i feel a bet is a bet. If you place a bet you accept the risks that games may not be played for many reasons. And live with the results.

 

 

[Big Turk]

  On 12/22/2021 at 5:50 PM, cba fan said:

that's bs. If you bet 10 and team wins 10 or more you should win the bet regardless of how many total games your bet plays.

 

personally i feel a bet is a bet. If you place a bet you accept the risks that games may not be played for many reasons. And live with the results.

 

 

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Agree to an extent...I think any bet that would have an outcome unchanged by canceled games should still stand...only bets that could have it go either way should be refunded for both sides.

 

For example, if you bet the Bills to win 12 games, even if they had one canceled now, they can only win a max of 11, so you should still lose that bet.

 

But for example, you bet them to win 11 games and they are 10-6 and the last game gets canceled, then it should be refunded since they could have theoretically won 11.

 

So to mez any bet that won or lost on either side even with a cancellation should still be honored, only the ones that could go either way or change based on a canceled game should be refunded.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

  On 12/22/2021 at 5:46 PM, StHustle said:

 

Gotcha...and it's clear because it's many more of them. I was enforcing your original point. 6% unvaxxed isn't driving the issue. 

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From some of the case reports, it appears that in the right circumstances (crowded, unmasked, prolonged contact as on a plane or in a party), one person infected with Omicron can infect a large number of people.  So in theory, one or two unvaccinated people in the locker room could be driving the issue.

 

And infections with Omicron appear to progress very quickly - 2 or 3 days between infections vs. 5 days to a week.  A person can apparently test negative the day before, and be infecting a bunch of people by evening.

 

We don't have good data yet on what impact vaccination may (or may not) have on transmissibility of Omicron, as far as I know. 

 

But yeah, if the NFL had data (and they can sometimes determine the index case and spread patterns in a facility) showing that the recent outbreaks stemmed from an unvaccinated person, I would have expected them to be forcing a forfeit.  And I think the probabilities are against it.

[dave mcbride]

  On 12/22/2021 at 6:21 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

From some of the case reports, it appears that in the right circumstances (crowded, unmasked, prolonged contact as on a plane or in a party), one person infected with Omicron can infect a large number of people.  So in theory, one or two unvaccinated people in the locker room could be driving the issue.

 

And infections with Omicron appear to progress very quickly - 2 or 3 days between infections vs. 5 days to a week.  A person can apparently test negative the day before, and be infecting a bunch of people by evening.

 

We don't have good data yet on what impact vaccination may (or may not) have on transmissibility of Omicron, as far as I know. 

 

But yeah, if the NFL had data (and they can sometimes determine the index case and spread patterns in a facility) showing that the recent outbreaks stemmed from an unvaccinated person, I would have expected them to be forcing a forfeit.  And I think the probabilities are against it.

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My cynical take: the NFL wants no part of cancellations because it's giving them full spectrum TV dominance. To wit: between last Saturday (Dec 18) and this upcoming Monday(Dec 27), the NFL will have had 8 prime time games in 10 nights. That's crazy.

Edited December 22, 2021 by dave mcbride

[LeGOATski]

I highly doubt they ever really considered canceling/forfeiting games. Too much money involved on both sides. This is a bunch of hot air.

[Big Turk]

  On 12/22/2021 at 6:34 PM, LeGOATski said:

I highly doubt they ever really considered canceling/forfeiting games. Too much money involved on both sides. This is a bunch of hot air.

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No it's not.  If you read the story the NFL was planning to do just that.  It was the NFLPA that pushed hard for them not to.

[LeGOATski]

  On 12/22/2021 at 7:02 PM, Big Turk said:

 

No it's not.  If you read the story the NFL was planning to do just that.  It was the NFLPA that pushed hard for them not to.

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Oh, because JC Tretter said so.... 

 

This is all posturing. The NFL was never going to cancel games. Threatening to not pay players unless they get vaccinated was their whole goal prior to the season. And now that the new variant is spreading through vaxxed/unvaxxed alike, any validity behind that threat is pretty much gone.

 

There's too much money involved in stadium revenue, TV revenue, salaries, etc for this to have ever been a real consideration.

 

It's all hot air and posturing.

[ColoradoBills]

My opinion doesn't mean spit but it seems to me if you got enough players to field a team you play and don't forfeit.

 

[Bad Things]

  On 12/22/2021 at 5:41 PM, Lagoon Blues said:

No matter what happens at least half of everybody will be pissed off.  But, thats just kind of the world we live in now.

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Don't assume the rest of the world is like that.  🙂