HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, balln said: yea its a bummer. theres some data on blood type have conferred some protection, but that was at the very beginning. not sure if its still true I hope Spencer Brown gets a good week of practice... 1
HamptonBillsfan Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 Just now, Jauronimo said: I have no personal problem with him. I also don't hold him up to be an American hero for spamming twitter with a bunch of misinformation pulled from russian troll farms and the dregs of the internet and calling it research. Were he vaccinated, he would have an opportunity to play. He has no chance because of his choices and he's still What are you an epidemiologist?. You have an opinion, that's all. Plenty of vaccinated players will miss games. Don't conflate people who have different views from your own with a lack of team loyalty. Are you questioning his effort on the field where he takes viscous hits and keeps coming. Russian troll farms? The majority of professional athletes are on Twitter. It's not personal, ok. 3
Jauronimo Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said: What are you an epidemiologist?. You have an opinion, that's all. Plenty of vaccinated players will miss games. Don't conflate people who have different views from your own with a lack of team loyalty. Are you questioning his effort on the field where he takes viscous hits and keeps coming. Russian troll farms? The majority of professional athletes are on Twitter. It's not personal, ok. I have never insinuated a lack of loyalty or questioned his toughness. That is one "viscous" strawman you've built there. Have fun knocking it down. Go familiarize yourself with Cole's campaign of offseason misinformation. He plumbed the depths of the internet to find some true masterpieces of fiction. Afterward, familiarize yourself with how an alarming amount of this fiction winds up on our social media platforms being disseminated by unwitting Americans who are generally preconditioned to trust what they read. Well, until recently... Its not personal for me anymore than its personal when Poyer takes on the internet to compare covid to obesity. Love all the Bills (not named Cody Ford) on the field, would be thrilled to have a beer with any of them (even Ford), I reserve the right to call out bad takes and/or bad behavior on their part when I see it, and I don't want to discuss politics with a single one of them. Is it personal for you, perhaps? Edited December 22, 2021 by Jauronimo 2 2 1 1
pennstate10 Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 43 minutes ago, Evian said: Actually you don't understand the concept of PUBLIC health. Beasley is right that only testing unvaccinated players is moronic. You have to test everyone if you are going to stop the spread. The NFL is the one ignoring science and public health. Their rules are designed to keep players on the field with very little concern for the public health. What I stated is absolutely correct with respect to public health. You seem to be arguing that the NFL should be stricter with their public health and virus containment rules. I don't disagree with stricter protocols with respect to vaccinated players, but they MAY not be necessary. If you dont understand the difference between vaccinated and boosted individuals, and unvaccinated individuals, then I'm not sure we can have a productive discussion.
quinnearlysghost88 Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 2 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said: That's even more proof that's it's punitive to keep unvaccinated players out for that long. It’s dumb. I wish they would’ve told the players ahead of time that this was going to happen… 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 47 minutes ago, Evian said: lol. If they were worried about players becoming severly ill they would be doing everything to keep it from spreading. They dropped daily tests for 1 reason. They knew they could not have a season if every positive player had to sit out games. The new variant is so contagious that virtually everyone is positive in every locker room right now if a single guy is positive. The NFL stopped daily tests of everyone for the reason that vaccinated players were less likely to be infected and less likely to spread covid if infected. They were doing weekly testing. It was working. They were playing games, infection rates were low. They didn't drop "daily testing" because they're still doing daily testing of unvaccinated players, and they haven't been doing it on vaccinated players all Fall. The new variant is not that contagious, especially if everyone is masked and distanced as they are supposed to be.
Hebert19 Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Unless they've changed these rules too, believe any players signed that didn't just get cut i.e. came directly from another team environment, is required to quarantine for 10 days before joining the team. The way things are going they may have scaled that back too, but if not the earliest Brown could play would be Jan 1st?? I'm guessing if he's vaxxed and tests negative hes good
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, 716er said: Does pharma giant Eli Lilly making money off monoclonal antibody treatments mean something different than pharma giant Phizer and up and comer Moderna doing the same for vaccines? Actually it does. Literally the current contract with the US Gov't is 100x higher for a monoclonal antibody treatment than for the most expensive of the vaccines (>$2000 vs <$20). Cost to administer is also greatly higher - requires a 90 minute supervised infusion vs. a 5 second jab. This isn't just profiteering - monoclonal antibodies are significantly more expensive to produce as well as more expensive to package, transport, store, and administer. 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson said: Didn't Beasley get Covid from a vaccinated person? The source of Beasley's Covid infection has not been publicly identified, and Beasley may not even know.
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: O It isn’t? The original statement was that "virtually everyone" would be positive. There isn't a lot of solid data, but an early study might suggest 70-75% would catch it. (Link) That's still pretty much extremely contagious. Edited December 22, 2021 by HalftimeAdjustment Corrected quote
Doc Brown Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson said: Didn't Beasley get Covid from a vaccinated person? Doesn’t matter. Rules unfortunately are the rules. Ten days away from the facility.
Evian Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The new variant is not that contagious. 🤣 You have no idea what you are talking about. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It isn’t? No, it's not. It is not so contagious that "virtually everyone is positive in every locker room right now if a single guy is positive." The guys in locker rooms right now are supposed to be masked, distanced when unmasked to eat, and having virtual meetings. 4 minutes ago, Evian said: 🤣 You have no idea what you are talking about. Actually, I do. I understand how Ro is calculated, what the current study in Japan says about it for Omicron, what UK is seeing, and what Cornell (which tested every one of its 30,000 students weekly until winter break) saw. You? But way to divorce what I said from its context, which was your unsupported assertion that Omicron is so contagious "virtually everyone is positive in every locker room right now if a single guy is positive".
Virgil Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 Yeah, saying COVID isn't the reason he's missing the game is a bit much for me. Take some responsibility man. End of the day, he's missing our most important game of the season. 1 1 1 1 1
Doc Brown Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: The original statement was that "virtually everyone" would be positive. There isn't a lot of solid data, but an early study might suggest 70-75% would catch it. (Link) That's still pretty much extremely contagious. Interesting most were vaccinated and none who tested positive were hospitalized. Makes Feliciano somewhat of an anomaly. Just now, Virgil said: Yeah, saying COVID isn't the reason he's missing the game is a bit much for me. Take some responsibility man. End of the day, he's missing our most important game of the season. To be fair, the guy played through broken ribs for us last playoffs and we’ve had maybe three most import games at this point.
Meatloaf63 Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I have never insinuated a lack of loyalty or questioned his toughness. That is one "viscous" strawman you've built there. Have fun knocking it down. Go familiarize yourself with Cole's campaign of offseason misinformation. He plumbed the depths of the internet to find some true masterpieces of fiction. Afterward, familiarize yourself with how an alarming amount of this fiction winds up on our social media platforms being disseminated by unwitting Americans who are generally preconditioned to trust what they read. Well, until recently... Its not personal for me anymore than its personal when Poyer takes on the internet to compare covid to obesity. Love all the Bills (not named Cody Ford) on the field, would be thrilled to have a beer with any of them (even Ford), I reserve the right to call out bad takes and/or bad behavior on their part when I see it, and I don't want to discuss politics with a single one of them. Is it personal for you, perhaps? Coles campaign is a different view that you hold, doesn’t make it disinformation. It’s amazing how some believe they have all the answers and anyone going against that belief is nuts, an idiot, a trouble maker. 🤦 2 1 2 1
HamptonBillsfan Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: It’s dumb. I wish they would’ve told the players ahead of time that this was going to happen… It's like we're going by the seat of our pants and reacting instead of being proactive. Why is it so hard to get tests? We knew this strain was super transmittable
Patrick Duffy Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: he new variant is not that contagious, especially if everyone is masked and distanced as they are supposed to be. It's only the 2nd most contagious virus on the planet https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/omicron-variant-contagious-rate-university-hospitals-doctor/95-6c4cd1a7-a1f3-428a-9192-e50b7afd3cb5 Edited December 22, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins 1 2
Dan Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: Didn't Beasley get Covid from a vaccinated person? Perhaps? That’s the thing I keep seeing people forget. You may be vaccinated.. but you can still infect other people. Since you shouldn’t want to spread the virus to anyone, and never know who’s vaccinated or not, everyone should still be masking up, distancing, and washing their hands frequently. But everyone has completely over politicized this and/or are too self centered to care about the rest of the world. So here we are, infections running rampant...2 years in! And sure. It’s mild for a lot of people ...but some of us have several family members and friends that have died, and more still in the hospital. Bottom line, vaccinated or not, young or old, wear a mask and take common sense precautions. Get vaccinated. And stop hating on people regardless of their stance. It’s my only problem with Beasley’s stance.. stop thinking of yourself and think of people like Dawkins. There is no conspiracy other than the league trying to keep the Bills down. I wish Cole well and all the Bills’ players and fans as well. Pats players.. that’s another story. Lol. 4 1
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 Just now, Doc Brown said: Interesting most were vaccinated and none who tested positive were hospitalized. Makes Feliciano somewhat of an anomaly. It's definitely bad luck. Of course, he could have Delta, breakthrough cases were happening with increasing frequency anyhow, hence the boosters. But it does feel like an anomaly when you look at his age and overall health. Hopefully he makes a strong recovery now. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 51 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: Right, but he says that it is the rules stopping him from playing. Both can be true, some players (not just Beasley) would be willing to play with a sore throat and congestion for example. I mean, this guy played with a rib injury. His toughness is not in question. Other players feel the same. Fortunately the league does not set its policy based on that. I see what you're saying. Yes, you're right, I believe some players would get an IV before the game and at halftime and try to play through the flu in previous years. I guess my point was that vaccinated or unvaccinated don't make a difference to whether a player with symptoms can play.
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