Harbaugh and two point plays…

[mannc]

  On 12/20/2021 at 11:24 PM, BTB said:

The media I heard last night seemed to go easy on Harbaugh.  By going for two, he was the direct cause for two losses

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Really?  You are certain that the Ravens would have won both those games in overtime?  How do you know that?  For that matter, how do you even know the kicker makes both the one-point conversions?

[GunnerBill]

  On 12/21/2021 at 10:54 AM, Scott7975 said:

 

Before I say anything else I will say that I think Harbaugh is a great coach.  McDermott (5-2) has more playoff wins since becoming Bills head coach than Harbaugh(2-4) has since the Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2012.  Just saying.  Harbaugh win loss record hasn't always been great and he has only won his division 4 times in the 13 years he has been there.  

 

Close one for me.  Im not sure if I would trade McDermott for Harbaugh or not.  Id like to see how his team pans out if he actually pays Lamar.  Id also like to see how McDermott does the rest of this yeah and next year.

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In 14 years he has had 11 winning seasons, 2 .500 seasons and 1 losing season. There is only one better coach than Harbaugh in the entire league for me and he is in our division. Harbaugh is the only guy I'd trade for McDermott for. 

[mannc]

  On 12/21/2021 at 12:25 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

I think everyone understands that, yes...

 

Anyway, these 2 close losses should they keep them out of the playoffs, should righteously bite him in the ass.

 

They were lucky to be in the position to tie---in a shootout with their backup vs Rodgers no less!  Tie the game and get at least another series in OT, instead of gambling the game away on a single play that 50/50 losses the game.

 

 

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If it’s a “single play that 50/50 loses the game”, how is that any worse than kicking the extra point and going to OT?  That means it’s a play that 50/50 wins the game, too.  Why do you think the Ravens would have had a better than 50/50 chance to win in OT?

  On 12/21/2021 at 12:28 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Harbaugh is the only guy I'd trade for McDermott for. 

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Not to get off-track, but I’d trade McDermott for Frank Reich, too.

[Billsfan1972]

GB was getting the ball back and had time to get in FG range with Rodgers.  Then comes a coin flip and again you have Rodgers vs. Huntley....  I'd take Rodgers.

 

Right call, bad execution.

 

 

[zow2]

I would've fired Harbaugh after the game.  Just idiotic, and to do it twice?!?  I won't get into it here.. and yes I'm one of the people that hated McDermott going for it against Tennessee.  I think you push all these games to OT and allow your entire team to win it or lose.  Not just one play.  Just my opinion.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

  On 12/20/2021 at 11:24 PM, BTB said:

The media I heard last night seemed to go easy on Harbaugh.  By going for two, he was the direct cause for two losses, and now his team is on the outside looking in.  I think he deserves much more criticism than he is getting. 

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funny you ask 

 

 I said the same thing about the Titans and  the Jags game.

 

McD went for the win over a tie and lost both times. 
 

beyond crappy play calling that is  

I will also blame the Refs for the Tampa loss. 

[Greg S]

Never go for 2 unless you have to. If you miss then you are chasing the scoreboard. Do it at the end of the game and fail you lose. He should have kicked the extra point and taken his chances in OT. IMHO.

[Billsfan1972]

I'd rather go for & get 2 yards then go against Rodgers or Pitt on the road, when that game Pitt had all the momentum.

 

If Lamar can't get two yards, I'd be surprised.

[GunnerBill]

  On 12/21/2021 at 12:33 PM, mannc said:

Not to get off-track, but I’d trade McDermott for Frank Reich, too.

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Not for me. I think Reich is a good coach but I think he is the same level as McDermott. A good coach who occasionally has some brain fart game management moments. 

 

I wouldn't trade Reich for McDermott if I was a Colts fan either. I just think they are kinda equal. 

[Meatloaf63]

  On 12/20/2021 at 11:38 PM, Real McNasty said:

What happened against the Titans?

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He gambled and lost, now he’s sackless 

[Kaenon]

  On 12/20/2021 at 11:27 PM, Process said:

Lol. You realize they wouldn't be guaranteed wins if they kicked the XPs, right?

 

They are on the outside looking in because they are a bad team that's insanely lucky to even be in contention at this point.

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It's Justin Tucker kicking the XPs.

Its basically a guarantee.

[Process]

  On 12/21/2021 at 2:09 PM, Kaenon said:

 

It's Justin Tucker kicking the XPs.

Its basically a guarantee.

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To go to overtime...... Not to win the game........

[JerseyBills]

  On 12/21/2021 at 10:54 AM, Scott7975 said:

 

Before I say anything else I will say that I think Harbaugh is a great coach.  McDermott (5-2) has more playoff wins since becoming Bills head coach than Harbaugh(2-4) has since the Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2012.  Just saying.  Harbaugh win loss record hasn't always been great and he has only won his division 4 times in the 13 years he has been there.  

 

Close one for me.  Im not sure if I would trade McDermott for Harbaugh or not.  Id like to see how his team pans out if he actually pays Lamar.  Id also like to see how McDermott does the rest of this yeah and next year.

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McD is 2-3 in playoffs

[dave mcbride]

The two point conversion success rate is 49.6 percent right now. Winning in OT is a 45/45 proposition, with about a 10 percent chance of a tie. So ... basically the same. 

[Tenhigh]

  On 12/20/2021 at 11:29 PM, No Place To Hyde said:

This week I could almost see the logic of liking his chances better to convert a short yardage play VS playing Rodgers in OT...if ot goes to OT. 42 seconds and a TO...Rodgers could work with that.

 

Last week in a lower scoring game and you have Justin Tucker...odds are probably better at stopping Ben and kicking a long game winner.

 

In both games I don't think Roman called a very good play. 

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Maybe Roman gets canned and we can hire him on as our run game coordinator next year. 

[mannc]

  On 12/21/2021 at 4:37 PM, dave mcbride said:

The two point conversion success rate is 49.6 percent right now. Winning in OT is a 45/45 proposition, with about a 10 percent chance of a tie. So ... basically the same. 

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Gotta factor in chance of missed kick…I know, Tucker almost never misses those, but still…

[dave mcbride]

  On 12/21/2021 at 5:01 PM, mannc said:

Gotta factor in chance of missed kick…I know, Tucker almost never misses those, but still…

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Good point.

[Mr. WEO]

  On 12/21/2021 at 12:33 PM, mannc said:

If it’s a “single play that 50/50 loses the game”, how is that any worse than kicking the extra point and going to OT?  That means it’s a play that 50/50 wins the game, too.  Why do you think the Ravens would have had a better than 50/50 chance to win in OT?

Not to get off-track, but I’d trade McDermott for Frank Reich, too.

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95% the game is tied, vs 50% the game is lost.  In OT you get a full set of downs (at least 1 series).    

 

  On 12/21/2021 at 12:47 PM, Billsfan1972 said:

GB was getting the ball back and had time to get in FG range with Rodgers.  Then comes a coin flip and again you have Rodgers vs. Huntley....  I'd take Rodgers.

 

Right call, bad execution.

 

 

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Last 4 series of the "Rodgers vs Huntley" game:

 

Packers FG

Ravens TD

Packers Punt

Ravens TD

 

 

[Scott7975]

  On 12/21/2021 at 4:27 PM, JerseyBills said:

McD is 2-3 in playoffs

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You know what?  You're absolutely right.  I have no excuse.  I don't know wtf I was looking at.  It was off some site in the wee hours of the morning. 

[PromoTheRobot]

Why should Harbaugh feel any heat? He's doing what all the armchair experts say you're supposed to do.