Victory Beers 🍺 - Spencer Brown!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

When I was 22, I was still doing keg stands, held Tiger Woods Golf Tournaments at my house with 3 active Playstation 2's for like 10 hours, drank Natty Light, washed my underwear in the shower, wore condoms, paid for my McDonalds with quarters/dimes/nickels, barely could sit my backseat because of all the trash and downloaded gay porn on my roommates computer when they were sleeping....turn the volume all the way up and hit play.  

 

I've definitely grown up since then.

 

Well at least you wrapped it.  That puts you ahead of a significant # of young men.

 

But yeah, agree.  IME a lot of early-20s young men are hella immature

Most of them settle down and grow up significantly by their mid to late 20s.  A few into their 30s.

[Thriftygamer83]

13 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

If you’re not a grown man by 22, you never will be. 

Dude got face masked, had his arm held, and had chop blocks thrown his way.  Out of position and he's basically a sitting duck for that.  He didn't play as badly as most think it was playing against a team and players which'll make this offensive line meaner and hungrier for success.  McDermott knew it when he put him out there Panthers literally had nothing to play for and took cheap shots at Josh all day.  Some of them are over 22 going to say anything about that?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

So ever wear a uniform?  Guess what those that do realize Adults can get their ass chewed. But not here I guess we have to treat “NFL Adults” with cotton Balls. All Rainbows and Unicorns in the talks to them. 

 

Listen up!

 

We all know people get their asses chewed and survive. 

 

We all ought to know that doesn't mean getting all up in someone's grill and screaming is the only effective way to communicate a "course correction"

 

It's not that adults can't get their ass chewed; it's that it's not the only or necessarily the best way.

 

That is all.

[Royale with Cheese]

20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well at least you wrapped it.  That puts you ahead of a significant # of young men.

 

But yeah, agree.  IME a lot of early-20s young men are hella immature

Most of them settle down and grow up significantly by their mid to late 20s.  A few into their 30s.

 

The emotional part is where I grew the most.  I used to let things upset me more when I was younger.  Now I just don't care lol....I let others get mad about it.

[Thriftygamer83]

4 hours ago, Simon said:

 

We're talking about grown men, not Marines 

Brown got his face mask wrenched, punched, kicked, and the officials let a rookie down and nearly got him carted off.  Kind of surprised the Marines isn't talking about how calm Brown was until later.  Panthers were allowed that behavior how old are they?

[klos63]

14 hours ago, wppete said:

Love this guys attitude and the nastiness he plays with. He brings an attitude to the Oline. 
 

 

gotta think the league isn't ok with drinking beer on the field. Even if most of the beer ended up on his jersey

[T master]

14 hours ago, zow2 said:

He stunk today but should learn from it and improve.  

The guy is one of the largest football players i’ve seen.  Just a huge man.

 

I would like to see him & Doyle become book ends for the Bills O line with Morse at center an Williams & Feliciano at guard 

[vincec]

6 hours ago, Blainorama5 said:

Given the position switch he had to make a few hours before the game, I'm kinda amazed at how much grief he's getting.

Switching from one end to the other AIN'T easy with little to no practice time - and Carolina doesn't have a bad D-line at all.   Yes, the taunting penalty was stupid and obviously any o-line penalty always hurts, but I like this kid's attitude a LOT.  He's going to be good for the Bills for years imo.

Again, he was their swing tackle so he should have been at least somewhat ready. If they really had absolutely no backup plan in case their starting LT went out other that to throw a rookie RT over there "hours before the game" with minimal preparation then some coaches need to be fired.

Edited December 20, 2021 by vincec

[Alphadawg7]

14 hours ago, Simon said:

 

You think he developed that kind of strength and technique playing video games?

That young man has been working his ass off at a full time job for years; damn right he considers himself a grown man.

People that think chewing out men like that is productive are engaging in projection fantasies; I'm glad McDermott is above it.

 

There is a reason our players LOVE LOVE LOVE playing for McD and this team.  The locker room culture is a massive part of that.  McD holds them accountable, but he also treats them with respect.  He won't tolerate that stuff, which is why he pulled him and coached the kid up and talked to him to get his head straight versus just screaming at him and embarrassing him in front of the team and home town fans.  

 

I don't care what others on this board say, McD is a great HC and leader.  He has some things he can be better at in game, but overall, he is the right guy for this job IMHO.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

It is starting to become more clear the offensive line coach might be the problem.  Both Brown and Ford have the same problem outstanding run blockers but are poor in pass blocking.  Yesterday if you watch we’re the majority of Devin’s yards came from it was were Cody Ford was at I thought I was watching the 90’s again with the bills old counter tray.  Ford and Williams looked like they were in so much sink together Thurman would have been proud.

[BigAl2526]

I think this game will serve as a wakeup call to Spencer Brown to grow up and work more at developing his craft.  He has all the potential in the world, but maybe his talent has allowed him to be a little sloppy.  Playing at left tackle and being schooled is a reminder that he still has a lot to learn.  You can be physical and even a little nasty without being stupid and dirty.

[billsfan_34]

15 hours ago, wppete said:

Love this guys attitude and the nastiness he plays with. He brings an attitude to the Oline. 
 

 

He was sloppy yesterday, but not an easy task to roll LT as a rookie against a very good DL. His taunting penalty and the beer thing is a tad foolish, but boys will be boys lol

[Alphadawg7]

Specner Brown has definitely been one of our best OL overall this year while he has been at RT.  He is a rookie, he will have ups and downs like any other rookie, but overall, I think he is very much trending to be a long term fixture at RT for the Bills.  

 

At LT, its really hard to grade him here fairly.  He had to play LT for the first time in the NFL against some wicked pass rushers and do it on short notice.  It was a really bad game for him, no doubt.  But, I think it would be premature to say he is capable of playing LT in the NFL in a pinch.  He clearly isn't ready now though.  

 

But good thing for us, we already have a LT and his future looks bright at RT and my expectation is he will be a full time starter there for a long time for us.  

[Blainorama5]

1 hour ago, vincec said:

Again, he was their swing tackle so he should have been at least somewhat ready. If they really had absolutely no backup in case their starting LT went out other that to throw a rookie RT over there "hours before the game" with minimal preparation then some coaches need to be fired.

Fair enough, but from the sound of it, it's not like he was likely logging a ton of time during practice at that spot.  The QUALITY of his play sounds more like being a rookie to me.

 

[CoudyBills]

22 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

Perhaps I have Incognito/Feliciano PTSD with that word. Guys that have an attitude but aren’t necessarily very good. I’m just saying I don’t hear the word nasty used about guys like Quentin Nelson, Brandon Scherff or any of the top guys in the league. Physical for sure-so yes, I want to see the linemen be physical 

Incognito wasn't very good?  What...

[CoudyBills]

9 hours ago, WhoTom said:

 

Because they got their asses chewed out and they "turned out okay."

 

 

Has to do with humility and submitting voluntarily to authority.  Lots of people can't do it.

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Has to do with humility and submitting voluntarily to authority.  Lots of people can't do it.

 

It has ZERO to do with either of those things.

I'm humble and I'm coachable, but if you can't deal with me respectfully then the problem is yours not mine.

[CoudyBills]

Just now, Simon said:

 

It has ZERO to do with either of those things.

I'm humble and I'm coachable, but if you can't deal with me respectfully then the problem is yours not mine.

The question was why yelling at grown men does or doesn't work.  It has everything to do with that.  If you can't see that you are probably neither.

[Simon]

22 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

The question was why yelling at grown men does or doesn't work.  It has everything to do with that.  If you can't see that you are probably neither.

 

Some people are just too weak to handle it when things get hot in the kitchen so they just start screaming like toddlers.

Any sorry excuse for a man that is too pathetically weak to control himself is certainly too weak to control me.

 

If a pissed off coach walks comes up to me on the sidelines, looks me in the eye and says "Simon, you can't do that because A, B and C; next time do X, Y and Z. Now get your mind right and be ready to roll." then he earns my respect and I go out and do what he says. If some nutless asshat starts screaming in my face and calling me an idiot, then I learn nothing, the problem isn't solved and I lose respect for him.

 

You want to solve problems and be respected by grown men, then you show the same respect that you expect from them. A guy that can't do that is a bad coach and a weak man.

 

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Some people are just too weak to handle it when things get hot in the kitchen so they just start screaming like toddlers.

Any sorry excuse for a man that is too pathetically weak to control himself is certainly too weak to control me.

 

If a pissed off coach walks comes up to me on the sidelines, looks me in the eye and says "Simon, you can't do that because A, B and C; next time do X, Y and Z. Now get your mind right and be ready to roll." then he earns my respect and I go out and do what he says. If some nutless asshat starts screaming in my face and calling me an idiot, then I learn nothing, the problem isn't solved and I lose respect for him.

 

You want to solve problems and be respected by grown men, then you show the same respect that you expect from them. A guy that can't do that is a bad coach and a weak man.

 

Well said.  Alot of good takes by you and @Alphadawg7 in this thread.

 

I also have a great deal of respect for how Brown handled his post-game presser.  Players can have off games and lots of pressure to put on a rookie against a good DL.  At the end of day, he could have made excuses/etc.  but owned his play. 

 

Beane and staff found a real good one in the 3rd round.