Week 16: Bills at Pats - DISCUSSION

[Mat68]

The game will look very similar to the Ne game in Foxboro last season.  Buffalo scores Tds and win.  They will keep the same approach on defense.  If Ne wants to run it 50 times so be it.  14 points wont be enough this time though.  

[billsbackto81]

15 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

It will grow to 4.5 by weeks end. 

3 points tops. After coming back down to earth against the Colts and Mac showing rookie flaws I think the spread hangs around the 3 range.

[eball]

47 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’m glad that Aj Klein will be available for this game

 

Bingo.  Huge factor against the offense the Pats*** want to run.

[Boatdrinks]

30 minutes ago, Success said:

 

You should really put together a summary of when wins really count & when they don't, and when fans should feel good about them & when they're meaningless.

 

It's all quite hard to keep up with.  I know that personally, I felt good about beating the Chiefs, who are the #1 seed in the AFC right now.  But apparently, that was a gimme.

 

I agree, the Chiefs are the same Chiefs they were for that Sunday night game vs Bills. Criticizing Mahomes is against NFL scripture , so the talking point is how much better the Chiefs D is now. The reality is Mahomes was a turnover machine earlier in the season and as he went, so went the Chiefs. He’s cut down the INTs and fumbles; aside from that it’s the same team. 

[Logic]

I'm soooo glad we get to experience another week of Pats* fans telling us what wins we get to feel good about and how great Mac Jones is. 🤢

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The Bills forced themselves to run the ball at that high a %… McD didn’t believe his QB could throw in that weather so he turned it into a run first, defensive battle…. A game the Bills will more times than not lose.

Disagree. Why would the Bills want to get into a defensive struggle with the Pats? That's exactly what THE Pats want to do. It's a game plan the Pats win more often than not! It's obvious they have an inferior QB and offense. You beat the Pats by trying to score early and often. Thus, taking them out of their ground and pound and short passing game. The Bills can't play conservative or scared. McD and company should have trusted Allen and their receivers  more even in the wind. I believe if he did the Bills would have beaten the Pats. Of course side note about the refs calls make me sick to this day. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by newcam2012

[HamSandwhich]

not well versed in how this is determined but is there a chance this game gets flexed? 

[eball]

1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said:

not well versed in how this is determined but is there a chance this game gets flexed? 

 

Nope, would have had to happen a couple of weeks ago I think.

 

Edit:  12 days minimum

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by eball

[CNYfan]

3 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

not well versed in how this is determined but is there a chance this game gets flexed? 

When I first read this I read "Is there a chance this game gets fixed?".

And the answer to that is "most definitely"!

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 hours ago, JustHewIt said:

Well, I think it's kind lame to act like you were just a dropped ball or two away from kicking ass in a game you didn't really score in until garbage time.  By that logic, the bills are really a 12-2 team, if not for coming out flat and a miscue here and there.

In reality you're a five loss team who has beat up on some bad/injured teams and lost to most of the good teams you've played (and even a couple mediocre ones).  You had a stretch of your season that was *****, and you had a stretch that was strong.  Sounds pretty familiar, actually.

To your other point, the O moved it at the end of the third quarter when you were down 20-0 and running out of possessions.  Your other two drives in the third quarter were:

3 plays, 9 yards, INT
6 plays, 22 yards, Turnover on Downs

 

Another arrogant azzhat Pats fan to block.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Cueing the over/under on the number of times the media tells how HARD it is to beat the Pats coming off a loss. It is virtually impossible to beat Belichick coming off a loss........even though its already happened this year, happened twice last year including a 3 and 4 game losing streak, the year before with Tommy Brady, twice the year before that, and the year before that.......

Edited December 20, 2021 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Mat68]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I thought that was exactly what I said… McD played an offensive game that isn’t the Bills strength because he was scared of the wind. It cost them the game. 

Bill didnt want to throw at all.  Imo, Mcdermott tried to to be conservative, until he had no choice but to throw.   This game the full offense will be available.  As funny it was that they have all of there pass plays.  They are a run first team and Buffalo saw all of their best stuff.  As the game went on the defense figured it out and shut it down. 

[Logic]

5 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Cueing the over/under on the number of times the media tells how HARD it is to beat the Pats coming off a loss. It is virtually impossible to beat Belichick coming off a loss........even though its already happened this year, happened twice last year including a 3 and 4 game losing streak, the year before with Tommy Brady, twice the year before that, and the year before that.......

Not to mention the endless slobbering over the elite Patriots defense, without mentioning whatsoever that the Bills give up only 1.2 points more per game and are ranked second in scoring defense, right behind the Pats.

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

Not to mention the endless slobbering over the elite Patriots defense, without mentioning whatsoever that the Bills give up only 1.2 points more per game and are ranked second in scoring defense, right behind the Pats.

 

 

Well it's because they are TOUGH and PHYSICAL.  Not a soft, finesse D like Buffalo.  A D that is TOUGH and PHYSICAL would never get pimp caned by Indy.

[Success]

7 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Bill didnt want to throw at all.  Imo, Mcdermott tried to to be conservative, until he had no choice but to throw.   This game the full offense will be available.  As funny it was that they have all of there pass plays.  They are a run first team and Buffalo saw all of their best stuff.  As the game went on the defense figured it out and shut it down. 

 

Had they missed that 2-point conversion, and we took a 7-6 lead on that TD - the entire game would have been different, imo.

 

Jones would have been seen as MUCH more of a liability in any kind of comeback situation in those conditions. Even a single point.

 

[Stank_Nasty]

12 minutes ago, Logic said:

Not to mention the endless slobbering over the elite Patriots defense, without mentioning whatsoever that the Bills give up only 1.2 points more per game and are ranked second in scoring defense, right behind the Pats.

 

I'm personally looking forward to the media reminding us all week how soft the bills are because of their suspect run d...... which just so happens to be ranked 8 slots higher than the Pats run d..... a pats run d that has allowed 220+ rush yards in 2 of their last 3.

[zow2]

Still kinda' frustrating,  we knew when we played them both that the Pats and Bucs were ripe for a Loss.  We were one week too early.  The Colts and Saints took care of them in their next games.  It's time for Buffalo to win a close contest vs a good team.  

[Logic]

Pats* fans that have already built Jones up in their minds to be the next Tom Brady are in for a rude awakening over the next couple seasons, in my opinion.

He seems to be a quarterback that you can win with so long as your defense and running game are doing well. I don't see him being a transcendent talent that can put teams on his back and carry them the way that true franchise quarterbacks sometimes need to do.

Put differently: immobile, pocket-only QBs with limited improvisational, off-structure ability don't tend to be among the elite signal callers these days. Brady is about the only one, and he's obviously more the exception than the rule when it comes to quarterbacking. 

I'm not saying Jones definitely can't or won't be elite. Maybe he will be. But many Pats* fans seem to think it's a foregone conclusion, based solely on his being a capable care taker and winning some games on the backs of an elite defense and coach. 

 

[Success]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I'm personally looking forward to the media reminding us all week how soft the bills are because of their suspect run d...... which just so happens to be ranked 8 slots higher than the Pats run d..... a pats run d that has allowed 220+ rush yards in 2 of their last 3.

 

On one of the sports shows, they said that the Bills don't have a chance in the next one because of McD's comments about Belichick after the wind game.

 

You know - because Belichick will now be "mad."

 

These are paid professionals who said this.  They said that a HOF coach who is preparing for the most important late-season game in the AFCE in decades will try harder because he's "mad."

 

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Well it's because they are TOUGH and PHYSICAL.  Not a soft, finesse D like Buffalo.  A D that is TOUGH and PHYSICAL would never get pimp caned by Indy.

Amen. Or give up 100 yards to notDalton but don’t tell Hilliard go for 11-131 and notGeorge but D’Onta Foreman go for 19-109 In the same game……the same in which the Titans top 3 WRs were notMichael but Westbrook-ikhine, notJacob But Cody Hollister and notRyan but Dez Fitzpatrick.

 

so strong!  Ooooh so tough. They’re just lucky that Beane failed the OL and Daboll is 1/2 an idiot.

17 minutes ago, Logic said:

Pats* fans that have already built Jones up in their minds to be the next Tom Brady are in for a rude awakening over the next couple seasons, in my opinion.

He seems to be a quarterback that you can win with so long as your defense and running game are doing well. I don't see him being a transcendent talent that can put teams on his back and carry them the way that true franchise quarterbacks sometimes need to do.

Put differently: immobile, pocket-only QBs with limited improvisational, off-structure ability don't tend to be among the elite signal callers these days. Brady is about the only one, and he's obviously more the exception than the rule when it comes to quarterbacking. 

I'm not saying Jones definitely can't or won't be elite. Maybe he will be. But many Pats* fans seem to think it's a foregone conclusion, based solely on his being a capable care taker and winning some games on the backs of an elite defense and coach. 

 

Reminds me of Andy Dalton.  He’s better than I thought he would be, I’ll give him that

 

i wonder in we’re going to see Spencer Brown @ LT and Cody Ford out there again.  Sadly, I really don’t think we stand a chance without Dawkins.  Not having a backup LT is maddening.

Edited December 20, 2021 by NewEra