Week 16: Bills at Pats - DISCUSSION

[LeGOATski]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

We actually had a big advantage in that game because we had the ability to throw the ball.

You should've mentioned this to McD before the game.

[Logic]

If Sanders can't go, I expect the Bills to run a lot of two tight end sets.

When they do go three-wide, I presume Isaiah McKenzie will be the primary beneficiary of Beasley's absence, with Kumerow taking snaps as well.

I don't get the sense that Stevenson is ready to contribute much in the receiving game or that Hodgins -- even if brought up from the practice squad -- what get many offensive snaps.

[Big Blitz]

 

They were making sure they had Harris ready for us 

 

 

 

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

If Sanders can't go, I expect the Bills to run a lot of two tight end sets.

When they do go three-wide, I presume Isaiah McKenzie will be the primary beneficiary of Beasley's absence, with Kumerow taking snaps as well.

I don't get the sense that Stevenson is ready to contribute much in the receiving game or that Hodgins -- even if brought up from the practice squad -- what get many offensive snaps.

Maybe, but I don't think this team is made for 2 TE sets. They should keep their best players out there. 

 

Before going with 2 TEs, I recommend lining up Davis inside and have him chip. Kumerow can spell him in a similar role. Then you at latest have an extra pass catcher out there to bail out Josh, in theory.

[Logic]

Just now, LeGOATski said:

Maybe, but I don't think this team is made for 2 TE sets. They should keep their best players out there. 

 

Before going with 2 TEs, I recommend lining up Davis inside and have him chip. Kumerow can spell him in a similar role. Then you at latest have an extra pass catcher out there to bail out Josh, in theory.

Fair.

It should be noted, though, that the Bills have been playing more and more 2 TE sets in recent weeks. I don't have the numbers in front of me because I don't have subscriptions to any of those data aggregate websites that show personnel grouping percentages, but they haven't been as 10 and 11 personnel happy as they once were. The Bucs game is the notable exception to that. 

Furthermore, if Dawkins misses this game and Brown and Williams wind up as the starting tackles again, I like the extra help that tight ends or Gilliam would provide to them.

In any case, the Pats have an average to below average run defense and an elite pass defense, so hopefully the Bills can find a way to run the ball successfully against them, whatever personnel grouping they choose.

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

Fair.

It should be noted, though, that the Bills have been playing more and more 2 TE sets in recent weeks. I don't have the numbers in front of me because I don't have subscriptions to any of those data aggregate websites that show personnel grouping percentages, but they haven't been as 10 and 11 personnel happy as they once were. The Bucs game is the notable exception to that. 

Furthermore, if Dawkins misses this game and Brown and Williams wind up as the starting tackles again, I like the extra help that tight ends or Gilliam would provide to them.

In any case, the Pats have an average to below average run defense and an elite pass defense, so hopefully the Bills can find a way to run the ball successfully against them, whatever personnel grouping they choose.

I think they were trying to balance it out, but are learning that simply having a heavier front doesn't necessarily help them.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

38 minutes ago, Logic said:

If Sanders can't go, I expect the Bills to run a lot of two tight end sets.

When they do go three-wide, I presume Isaiah McKenzie will be the primary beneficiary of Beasley's absence, with Kumerow taking snaps as well.

I don't get the sense that Stevenson is ready to contribute much in the receiving game or that Hodgins -- even if brought up from the practice squad -- what get many offensive snaps.

Re two-TE sets, I loved the heavy sets we ran last game. We brought in an extra lineman too, and it seemed like we had some solid runs out of it. Hope they do that some more this week. 

[Blainorama5]

3 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Hopefully all red again ... We're 6-2 in those and they do look Christmas-y

If only team fashion was a tie-breaker.  🤔

[eball]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Riveting 

 

 

 

This is interesting, particularly since his right hand is also his non-throwing hand.

 

[Greg S]

Just now, eball said:

 

This is interesting, particularly since his right hand is also his non-throwing hand.

 

 

He can throw a mean 3 yard pass though.

[frostbitmic]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

It can work just for a game... in the moment. But the culture has to be built first, to where players will respond to their coach.

 

Like, Urban Meyer certainly isn't giving any championship-winning speeches...

Kicking his Kicker wasn't even his worst episode of being a HC.

[FLFan]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Riveting 

 

 

What a kitty.

[FLFan]

24 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Re two-TE sets, I loved the heavy sets we ran last game. We brought in an extra lineman too, and it seemed like we had some solid runs out of it. Hope they do that some more this week. 

I hope not. Every time they telegraph their intent and/or limit their options via the offensive formation, they are playing into Belicheat’s hands.  It’s like giving them a stop.  That is not the way to win, as the last game should have taught them.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

8 minutes ago, FLFan said:

I hope not. Every time they telegraph their intent and/or limit their options via the offensive formation, they are playing into Belicheat’s hands.  It’s like giving them a stop.  That is not the way to win, as the last game should have taught them.  

thats a good point. I guess in my mind I was hoping they would use that set from time to time to try to get more physical especially in short yardage situations. 

[Beerball]

4 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I'd like to think if we can hold them to 14 again, that we will kick their asses.

I firmly believe that the pats scored 14 last time because it's what they needed.  If it was 21 they would have scored 21.  

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Beerball said:

I firmly believe that the pats scored 14 last time because it's what they needed.  If it was 21 they would have scored 21.  

 

Yes, I am certain that they were completely comfortable with a 4 point lead where 1 play was the difference between a win and a loss.

[Locomark]

If the Bills play conservative and play 2 TE sets or 2 WR sets we will be in a tight game just by removing playmakers from the field. Just simply play to our strengths, spread the field, and let Josh make plays, so we can win this game by at least 10. Make this a game like last year where we go into Foxboro and rely on our strengths and stop worrying about what Belicheat may take away. I don’t believe they can match our points with their simple offense and lack of playmakers. Let them run 45 times for 200 yards. 

[Beerball]

10 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes, I am certain that they were completely comfortable with a 4 point lead where 1 play was the difference between a win and a loss.

Maybe we watched different games.

[LeGOATski]

19 minutes ago, Beerball said:

I firmly believe that the pats scored 14 last time because it's what they needed.  If it was 21 they would have scored 21.  

Are you saying the Pats could've scored at will?

[FLFan]

39 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

thats a good point. I guess in my mind I was hoping they would use that set from time to time to try to get more physical especially in short yardage situations. 

Certainly a valid idea, I just think the Pats are better at defending that formation than the Bills are at running it.