Daboll a consideration for Jags HC

[TheyCallMeAndy]

[Jerome007]

I was a big Daboll fan till this year. He developed Josh really well, got a lot of great plays in the pass game, not conservative. But it really seems like he plateaued out. Not helping the OL, super vanilla run game, stubbornness in not calling run plays, screens, moving the pocket, etc. Not using designed QB runs vs the Cheats in that weather? I don't get it.

 

Chiefs only won in OT last night. Monster game by Kelce and Hill as usual, but it's not like the Chiefs  had it easy. Yet look at all the small tweaks they put almost every game. Last night great use of the FB for example. After so many years of HC/OC stability, yeah I expected a LOT more this year. The failures in  the schemes are well known yet not truly corrected, as if ego was in the way.

 

If Daboll stays, fine. If he goes, fine. While last year I was thinking that the Pegulas should roll back the money truck and dump some cash in his driveway.

 

Edited December 17, 2021 by Jerome007

[Nihilarian]

19 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

If Daboll stays, fine. If he goes, fine. While last year I was thinking that the Pegulas should roll back the money truck and dump some cash in his driveway.

 

If I'm not mistaken, Kirby Jackson let it be known that Daboll is currently one of the highest paid OC's in the NFL. 

 

 

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I don't know that I agree with this. McD is a huge believer in teaching and coaching players up. Putting them in ths best situation to be successful. Success starts at coaching. 

 

As bad as this line has played it times it's been a mixed bag as to why. While talent has been an issue we also have seen both tackles regress (while we believe Dawkins is due to COVID McD has downplayed that angle when asked). Feliciano, while never an All-Pro has seemed to take a step back as well. Ford, who McD calls a "good football player" has struggled. Morse has been the only starter from last year that has even somewhat stayed the same. 

 

More importantly we really haven't seen Daboll adjust well to the struggles upfront. His idea of still spreading it out and giving little help to this tackles (does he even know it's legal for a RB or TE to "chip" a DE on the way to their route?) has been a disaster at times. 

 

It's like when you cook dinner. Would be great to have prime rib every night. However, sometimes when you open the fridge and see ground beef you have to make due and still create a tasty meal. Seems like all Daboll knows how to cook is Hamburger Helper. And while that can be ok once in a while (Cheeseburger Mac is the best IMO) he serves the same dish night after night...even though not one eats it.

You can’t help the interior of the line on run plays bro. They either push or get pushed. It does not matter what run scheme we do.

Edited December 17, 2021 by FireChans

[BuffaloBillyG]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You can’t help the interior of the line on run plays bro. They either push or get pushed. 

You actually can. First off, a true FB on the roster would be a good thing. A game such as the Pats game we didn't even have one active due to injury. That would help. Running draws, traps and counters helps slow down an interior rush as well. Not calling the slow developing RPOs and run options would help.

 

If your guys are getting overpowered inside...slide the blocking assignment so you don't have your guys trying to square up and block...instead your blocker comes from the shoulder and slides the defender out of the play.

 

These are all fairly common tactics to help an overpowered IOL...many of which we simply do not attempt.

Edited December 17, 2021 by No Place To Hyde

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

You actually can. First off, a true FB on the roster would be a good thing. A game such as the Pats game we didn't even have one active due to injury. That would help. Running draws, traps and counters helps slow down an interior rush as well. Not calling the slow developing RPOs and run options would help.

 

If your guys are getting overpowered inside...slide the blocking assignment so you don't have your guys trying to square up and block...instead your blocker comes from the shoulder and slides the defender out of the play.

 

These are all fairly common tactics to help an overpowered IOL...many of which we simply do not attempt.

I don’t think you understand how bad our run blocking is. Running slower developing plays has a high chance for us to lose 4 yards in the backfield. Do you want to see Zack Moss trying to get back to the LoS on a counter? No thanks. It won’t work

and it will only make our offense worse by setting us up for 2nd and 14.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Please oh please 

 

x 100

 

Can he start Monday?

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I don’t think you understand how bad our run blocking is. Running slower developing plays has a high chance for us to lose 4 yards in the backfield. Do you want to see Zack Moss trying to get back to the LoS on a counter? No thanks. It won’t work

and it will only make our offense worse by setting us up for 2nd and 14.

Which is why I said not calling the slow plays would help.

 

And who is talking about Moss? Guy shouldn't be active again. You said there is no way to help...I literally pointed out about 6 things they could do to help...because I realize how bad the blocking is. 

[FireChans]

Just now, No Place To Hyde said:

Which is why I said not calling the slow plays would help.

 

And who is talking about Moss? Guy shouldn't be active again. You said there is no way to help...I literally pointed out about 6 things they could do to help...because I realize how bad the blocking is. 

Counters are slow developers my guy. So are draws. 
 

You basically said they can call these slow developing plays but they also shouldn’t call slow developing plays.

 

Also, Daboll can’t sign a FB rn.

 

Like most things, it’s a roster construction issue, not a scheme issue.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

15 hours ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/urban-meyer-fired-doug-pederson-josh-mcdaniels-top-candidates-to-become-next-jaguars-head-coach/

 

I don’t see McDaniels going anywhere. The Hoodie will be passed on at some point. 

[thenorthremembers]

I dont see Daboll being a serious candidate this coaching cycle.   His creativity just hasn't been there this year.   Relied way too much on having Josh at QB.    Pederson would be a fantastic hire for the Jags.   If they were more stable in their Front Office, and the roster was a bit more put together I'd say go and get Leftwhich, but they need someone who knows how to be a head coach in the NFL after the Meyer debacle.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

If I'm not mistaken, Kirby Jackson let it be known that Daboll is currently one of the highest paid OC's in the NFL. 

 

 

Any word from Kirby?

[Patrick Duffy]

Lol that sounds like something the Jags would do...whatever the case turns out to be, I welcome the departure myself.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Counters are slow developers my guy. So are draws. 
 

You basically said they can call these slow developing plays but they also shouldn’t call slow developing plays.

 

Also, Daboll can’t sign a FB rn.

 

Like most things, it’s a roster construction issue, not a scheme issue.

The blocking technique changes on counters and draws. The look is different. Defenders have to react to what they seem. It slows them down. This really isn't rocket science, my dude. 

 

I will agree on the issues being roster construction and will add that this regime values position versatility over the mastery of one position...leave the old adage that a jack of all trades is a master of none. 

[Dan]

I’ve been in the “continuity” bandwagon for Josh and the offense. And wanted Dabs to stay for that.  However, now, with Josh’s ascension to offensive leader and Dabol’s complete inability to develop a running game for 2 seasons, I have zero concerns about him leaving. Amd feel it could solve a difficult decision for McDermott.

[Mr. WEO]

14 hours ago, SCBills said:

Doug Pederson seems like a home run hire to work with Lawrence.  
 

If not, I would think Daboll makes a lot of sense because they’re basically hiring someone for Trevor.   We can think whatever we want about the offense this year, but if I’m them, I see Josh Allen and rightly or wrongly will attribute some of that development to Daboll.  

 

14 hours ago, TheProcess said:

Daboll would be a good fit for them from working with and developing a young QB like Lawrence. Maybe the most accomplished on that list in that department. I guess you could argue Bienemy with Mahomes is as accomplished, but hard to separate that from Andy Reid. Something is off with Bienemy or else he’d have been hired by now. Pederson could be ok. How he handled the end of last year in Philly really damaged his credibility among players, but hard to argue with a SB ring. Caldwell is meh to me and McDaniels is a douche after what he did to the Colts (along with being a patriot). Although, I wouldn’t hate getting him out of the division. 

 

Pederson rode his hot backup QB to a SB win, then he pointed the nose of that franchise right into the ground, Wentz with him.

 

I don't see them hiring him, but Khan is another football moron/billionaire owner.  

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Pederson rode his hot backup QB to a SB win, then he pointed the nose of that franchise right into the ground, Wentz with him.

 

I don't see them hiring him, but Khan is another football moron/billionaire owner.  

 

The stories that I have heard about his culture in Philly would cause me to run a mile from him. It would be frying pan to fire for JAX. 

 

I actually think Pederson might make a great college coach though. Where you are THE man and have kids who need to do what you say to get where they wanna go. I know it is an odd thing to say about a SB winning Head Coach but I wouldn't even consider hiring him to another NFL HC job.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Uh oh here come all the anti-Jax-ers

[RobbRiddick]

15 hours ago, HOUSE said:

More Jaguar pain

 

 

 

 

They do it to themselves

 

[Watkins90]

16 hours ago, SCBills said:

Doug Pederson seems like a home run hire to work with Lawrence.  
 

If not, I would think Daboll makes a lot of sense because they’re basically hiring someone for Trevor.   We can think whatever we want about the offense this year, but if I’m them, I see Josh Allen and rightly or wrongly will attribute some of that development to Daboll.  

Doug Pederson is a horrible head coach who only won a Super Bowl because he had Jim Schwartz and Frank Reich as his assistants.