Where Josh Allen ranks among QBs with regard to benefitting from defensive pass coverage penalties

[dave mcbride]

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Is it true that DBs aren't called for holding if the QB is out of the pocket? Or am I wrong?Allen does that a lot?

[Bubba Gump]

That's ***** unreal. NFL is garbage.

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Is it true that DBs aren't called for holding if the QB is out of the pocket? Or am I wrong?Allen does that a lot?

That could well be a factor.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

That could well be a factor.

I think it's actually on illegal contact plays. If QB leaves the pocket DBs can make contact. 

 

Doesn't explain the non holding calls vs Tampa where the jersey is being pulled.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[CSBill]

We should throw more, that would lower that ratio. 

[bigK14094]

We should run some "fake" passes and let guys like Kumerow clean house on the DB's.  Who else do we have on the roster than could do that.  Taiwan Jones? Knox?  Sweeney.   BTW, I did a little research, and the NFL banned "tear away "   jerseys in 1979.  Only us old timers remember that practice. (some players would finish game in taters if they ran out of jerseys for him)

[Boatdrinks]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Is it true that DBs aren't called for holding if the QB is out of the pocket? Or am I wrong?Allen does that a lot?

Pocket doesn’t matter still cannot hold a receiver 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Pocket doesn’t matter still cannot hold a receiver 

Right but can make contact which makes it a tougher call. I would love to see where Allen ranks on plays that end up outside the pocket.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Right but can make contact which makes it a tougher call. I would love to see where Allen ranks on plays that end up outside the pocket.

My guess is with the numbers being so out of whack with other passers (even adjusted is significantly higher) that we are not talking about nuance here. 

[78thealltimegreat]

You don’t want to put on a tinfoil hat and turn into a conspiracy theorist but man the amount of evidence that the league is out to get Buffalo or more specifically Allen is overwhelming 

Edited December 15, 2021 by 78thealltimegreat

[DCOrange]

46 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Is it true that DBs aren't called for holding if the QB is out of the pocket? Or am I wrong?Allen does that a lot?

They'll get called for interference if the pass is thrown to them and they make contact while the ball is in the air, but basically, illegal contact becomes legal once the QB leaves the pocket, so yes, the amount of time Allen spends outside the pocket would presumably be some sort of factor in this but I doubt it's enough to explain that large of a gap. I'm curious where Allen's 82 number compares to everyone else. That tweet only shows the top few QBs.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, DCOrange said:

They'll get called for interference if the pass is thrown to them and they make contact while the ball is in the air, but basically, illegal contact becomes legal once the QB leaves the pocket, so yes, the amount of time Allen spends outside the pocket would presumably be some sort of factor in this but I doubt it's enough to explain that large of a gap. I'm curious where Allen's 82 number compares to everyone else. That tweet only shows the top few QBs.

The Bills are pretty close to average benefiting from PI according to that website. Where they're low is defensive holding.

 

The numbers throughout the league are not very high. We're talking on average less than a call per game. I'm not sure how accurate that site is, but the numbers seem low.

[die hard bills fan]

not surprised.

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, Bubba Gump said:

That's ***** unreal. NFL is garbage.

That's one way to interpret the data.

 

Another would be to suggest that Josh doesn't often throw long enough to get coverage calls in his favor, or when he does, he doesn't throw accurately enough for the defender to have to take a penalty.

 

There's a TON of potential stuff going on in a simple statistic like that.

 

Don't draw a quick conclusion.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

That's one way to interpret the data.

 

Another would be to suggest that Josh doesn't often throw long enough to get coverage calls in his favor, or when he does, he doesn't throw accurately enough for the defender to have to take a penalty.

 

There's a TON of potential stuff going on in a simple statistic like that.

 

Don't draw a quick conclusion.

 

 

Yes. Rarely does Allen underthrow passes.

[dave mcbride]

15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

That's one way to interpret the data.

 

Another would be to suggest that Josh doesn't often throw long enough to get coverage calls in his favor, or when he does, he doesn't throw accurately enough for the defender to have to take a penalty.

 

There's a TON of potential stuff going on in a simple statistic like that.

 

Don't draw a quick conclusion.

 

 

I'd add that he hardly ever throws those deliberately short throws that are intended to generate a DPI call. Rogers, Roethlisberger, and Brady do that all the time. 

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I'd add that he hardly ever throws those deliberately short throws that are intended to generate a DPI call. Rogers, Roethlisberger, and Brady do that all the time. 

Someone told me that this is made up bs.    No one does this.  It’s all in your head. 
 

🙄 

[Buffalo Boy]

Hey, I just had a SWELL idea. Howz abouts we get Josh an O line coached by a honest to goodness NFL caliber O line coach so he doesn’t have to EFFING RUN AROUND LIKE A CHICKEN WITH HIS HEAD CUT OFF EVERY SINGLE EFFING PLAY!!!!!!     
🤔

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

 

This all checks out. So each QB gets about 1 per game