On Further Review, Buffalo Bills Have Legitimate Beef With NFL Officials

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

No, silly. Depends who got the most action, not who got the points. 

 

(To be fair, though, I have no idea where the action was on this game.)

What depends on who gets the most action?

[Richard Noggin]

18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

What depends on who gets the most action?

Which way a betting-influenced fix would lean, in this ridiculous hypothetical. The line is set initially to be both predictive AND to be motivational. 

 

My guess is the Bills v Bucs line was set so low because a) the Bills are better than their recent results (Vegas ain't dumb) and b) such a tight line would inspire bettors to get in on this game (my next guess being that lots of money came in on the Bucs when the line was lowest).

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

Which way a betting-influenced fix would lean, in this ridiculous hypothetical. The line is set initially to be both predictive AND to be motivational. 

 

My guess is the Bills v Bucs line was set so low because a) the Bills are better than their recent results (Vegas ain't dumb) and b) such a tight line would inspire bettors to get in on this game (my next guess being that lots of money came in on the Bucs when the line was lowest).

Over 60% of the handle came in on Bucs spread. There’s little chance BUF moneyline came close to make up the difference, so in theory the books lost.

 

In reality, the lines are set to induce as much action on both sides as possible. Yes, there are some rare occurrences when they’re overexposed but the truth is that once all the bets are in Vegas doesn’t care about the outcome. 

[Búfalo Blanco]

I’ll be quite curious to watch the officiating on 12/26 when Buffalo travels to NE. That could be an obvious sign, if any of the suspicion about a NE/TB Super Bowl has merit. 

[Richard Noggin]

15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Over 60% of the handle came in on Bucs spread. There’s little chance BUF moneyline came close to make up the difference, so in theory the books lost.

 

In reality, the lines are set to induce as much action on both sides as possible. Yes, there are some rare occurrences when they’re overexposed but the truth is that once all the bets are in Vegas doesn’t care about the outcome. 

If over 60% of the action came in for the Bucs, then doesn't that (for the conspiratorially-minded) support the gambling-based game-fixing narrative?

 

Can't let the Bills pull the upset when so much money is leaning on the Bucs. 

 

That's not my thinking, exactly. But again, we're discussing a hypothetical raised more than a few times in the wake of horrifically one-sided officiating. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

If over 60% of the action came in for the Bucs, then doesn't that (for the conspiratorially-minded) support the gambling-based game-fixing narrative?

 

Can't let the Bills pull the upset when so much money is leaning on the Bucs. 

 

That's not my thinking, exactly. But again, we're discussing a hypothetical raised more than a few times in the wake of horrifically one-sided officiating. 

No, the books win if the Bills cover. 

[Richard Noggin]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

No, the books win if the Bills cover. 

But is it the books who buy the refs? Or the big money bettors? Or their part-time employer, the league itself (topic for another day, the refs' part-time employment status)?

 

We never see the refs seemingly in the bag for the underdog. 

 

I do understand how fraught this topic is. I'll see myself out.

[GoBills808]

16 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

But is it the books who buy the refs? Or the big money bettors? Or their part-time employer, the league itself (topic for another day, the refs' part-time employment status)?

 

We never see the refs seemingly in the bag for the underdog. 

 

I do understand how fraught this topic is. I'll see myself out.

Why would that matter? 

[Scott7975]

12 hours ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

NFL reports me for using copyrighted content, YouTube informs them I didn't, and I'll never use their footage.  What I'll be doing is taking to tasks how corruption operats in my next video.  Whomever wanted me taken down tried to supress me in a stupid move without watching the full video.  It's one thing to have Nintendo or Konami take my videos for management training... it's another for the NFL to outright not watch a fans video and then d something incredibly stupid and remove their compliant within seconds.

 

Know this... you are allowed to use footage as educational means.  So if you make videos with NFL footage then make your videos in educational format.  If they try to screw you then appeal it.

11 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The thing I don’t get is….it’s Tuesday. This ***** has been happening to us for at least 15 years with Brady. Brady, Rodgers Big Ben and maybe Russel Wilson get almost every PI call imaginable for the last decade. Especially at home. It’s a free 10-14 points every game. It’s a wonder those teams ever lose at home actually. It’s never going to change. What’s the point in worrying about it or complaining? It’s going to happen every time and at this point, just accept it.

 

Everyone accepting dog ***** is why they keep feeding dog *****.

[Scott7975]

8 hours ago, TuelTime said:

 

Actually, no. If the NFL was classed as a sport, with individual teams competing against each other, they could be charged under antitrust laws for fixing games. But being classed as a form of entertainment, the teams are technically working in unison for entertainment purposes, so it's perfectly legal for the NFL to fix a game. This isn't a crazy conspiracy theory by the way, but was actually argued by the NFL in a court of law.

 

The NFL’s own lawyer stated that the league competes in the “entertainment marketplace.” Because NFL football is in fact entertainment and nothing more, perhaps that was why in yet another court ruling, it was proven that the NFL could fix its own games and legally get away with it.

 

Correct

[ChrisWatson#21]

Been watching Bills football for long time we have never been a darling for officials.  From SB 26 when Marv chased down an official at halftime, just give it to them, music city forward pass, the Texans playoff game and most recently this weekend seen so much that I've come to the conclusion that when the Bills win the NFL loses money.  The officials know this as they are employees of the billionaires.  Only once have I felt the refs gave the Bills a game and that was the San Francisco game of 1998 where the niners were big favorites so IDK who pulled strings for that outcome.  Maybe last year too when the Rams were called for tough penalty but honestly we have gotten the short end of the stick for decades from officials.

[dave mcbride]

13 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

But it's about the story as much as the money. A Brady v Belichick Super Bowl to potentially see Brady's career out will be golddust to them.

It’s always about the money.

[muppy]

16 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Officiating is terrible; it's consistently bad; it impacts both teams in the games.

 

Over the course of a season, it probably more or less evens out.

 

It is there as a problem to be overcome for ALL TEAMS.

 

You KNOW it will be a problem.

 

It's up to each team to fight through the best they can.

It's ridiculous to keep making this an issue, though this board will continue to B word about this FOREVER.

 

 

this reads to me like the lone voice screaming SHUT UP 2bd I dont like this discussion shut it down ..venting fine. but just FYI

no chatroom works that way ...we are here to precisely NOT shut up just sayin'

 

as far as your post itself Fair point except for we're not whining, were Discussing.

 

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Edited December 15, 2021 by muppy

[cgg716]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

No, silly. Depends who got the most action, not who got the points. 

 

(To be fair, though, I have no idea where the action was on this game.)

Brady only laying 3 at home to a team that lost to the jags, that’s the side everyone was on for sure 

[The Red King]

4 hours ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

Been watching Bills football for long time we have never been a darling for officials.  From SB 26 when Marv chased down an official at halftime, just give it to them, music city forward pass, the Texans playoff game and most recently this weekend seen so much that I've come to the conclusion that when the Bills win the NFL loses money.  The officials know this as they are employees of the billionaires.  Only once have I felt the refs gave the Bills a game and that was the San Francisco game of 1998 where the niners were big favorites so IDK who pulled strings for that outcome.  Maybe last year too when the Rams were called for tough penalty but honestly we have gotten the short end of the stick for decades from officials.

 

Rams game we got hosed on a duel possession somehow went to the defender call that let them back in to the game, so the later call offset.

 

Other time I remember was The Comeback, where Bebee stepped out of bounds on a long TD, and the INT in OT was blatent PI.  But hey, the greatest NFL comeback is a great storyline.

[Big Turk]

18 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The officials blow in every game…  unfortunately it’s just the way the league is. However, the officials didn’t cause the Bills to go 3 and out on their first offensive possession in OT though. 

 

You sure about that? Because if Diggs isn't blatantly interfered with for at least the 3rd time on 3rd down, he catches the ball and extends the drive.

[BillsShredder83]

19 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Buffalo Bills, fans and thousands of bettors left wondering about NFL officials on Saturday.

At best, the NFL's officiating can be described as wildly inconsistent.

At worst, well, that can't be described here. But most people can figure out what we're implying.

Suffice to say the NFL was at its worst Sunday when the Buffalo Bills were stung by a particularly outrageous pass-interference penalty called on them and another committed by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that wasn't called.

Both plays, it can be argued, impacted the final result: A 33-27 win by the host Bucs in overtime. Though it must be noted that the Bucs may well have won anyway and that the Bills placed themselves in such poor position in the first place by playing an awful first half.

But let's take a closer look at the two plays.

The first came with the Bills facing a third-and-2 from the Tampa Bay 7-yard line in the closing seconds of regulation. Stefon Diggs clearly was interfered with by Carlton Davis on a pass attempt that fell incomplete out of bounds.

No call.

Had it been made, the Bills would have had a first-and-goal at the 1 with 22 seconds remaining and a chance to turn a 27-24 deficit into a 31-27 win that also, worth noting because gambling is legal and encouraged by the NFL now, would have covered the point spread, in which the Bucs were favored by 3½.

Instead, the Bills were forced to kick a field goal to force overtime, where the millions of dollars bet on this contest suddenly flowed the other way, thanks to officials who suddenly stopped using the standard that had been applied moments earlier.

On third down from the Tampa 15, Bucs quarterback Tom Brady underthrew receiver Mike Evans, who was covered tightly by Levi Wallace. Not only did Wallace not interfere, but he was pulled into Evans' body when Evans intiated contact by wrapping his right arm around Wallace's shoulder and yanking as the ball fell incomplete.

So what should have been offensive pass interference and a fourth down in which the Bucs' Bradley Pinion would have been punting from near his goal line, suddenly was a first down.

Three plays later, on another third down, Brady hit Breshad Perriman with a short pass over the middle that Perriman turned into a 58-yard TD reception.

Terry McAuley, the former NFL official who now is the Sunday Night Football rules analyst, insisted that Wallace never should have been flagged.

"This is not defensive pass interference," McAuley wrote on Twitter. "The receiver creates the contact. It is especially noteworthy given what was not called late in regulation on the Buffalo 3rd & 2 play."

(There was a play earlier in which Diggs clearly had his jersey pulled from behind by Davis while the ball was in the air. But replays show that it was Diggs who made first contact on that play, so Bills Central will not argue the no-call there.)

Once again, it wasn't just the Bills and their fans who were possibly cheated, but the thousands who bet the Bills to cover, which would have happened even if the Bucs kicked a field goal to win it in overtime.

Now that the NFL has seemingly climbed into bed with every casino in the free world after dropping a franchise in Las Vegas, an argument can be made that the appearance of impropriety exists every time something like this happens.

And something like this happens in just about every game.

So the entire NFL has a problem, not just Bills fans.

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I'm dead serious here. We should organize a go fund me for a billboard near NFL HQ s. This needs to be addressed. It's not just ruining Bills experience, it's ruining watching the league games period.

 

When you involve gambling by a "non profit" this is criminal on a large scale.

 

How can we get this done? I'm 100% serious and am willing to do some legwork to make it happen if anyone else can help?

[The Red King]

Honestly, it's not just the Bills.  The officiating has always been suspect, but this year seems far worse, with a lot of outright blatently blown calls swaying games all over the league.  Not talking subtle/questionable.  The bad calls/no calls are numerous, critical and clear as day.

[GoBills808]

8 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Correct

What about that is correct?

[NewEra]

17 hours ago, TuelTime said:

 

Actually, no. If the NFL was classed as a sport, with individual teams competing against each other, they could be charged under antitrust laws for fixing games. But being classed as a form of entertainment, the teams are technically working in unison for entertainment purposes, so it's perfectly legal for the NFL to fix a game. This isn't a crazy conspiracy theory by the way, but was actually argued by the NFL in a court of law.

 

The NFL’s own lawyer stated that the league competes in the “entertainment marketplace.” Because NFL football is in fact entertainment and nothing more, perhaps that was why in yet another court ruling, it was proven that the NFL could fix its own games and legally get away with it.

Do you have any links to support any of this?