So You Think the Bills Get Screwed.....you may be right T Sun article.....

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Success said:

It's pretty sickening.  I don't think it's a "fix," but I think it is subconscious w/ officials.  

 

Maybe if Allen & the Bills start winning SB's, they'll get more favorable treatment.  It would take years before I feel like things are "even."

 

if josh Allen reaches Brady levels of popularity then yea maybe.  I really only see Brady led teams getting lopsided officiating like that.  The refs straight up win them games…this is not the first time this season this has happened for them so it’s certainly not an anti bills thing.  Packers even got hosed against the bucs last year and Aaron rodgers is a big deal lol then we all saw the super bowl where the chiefs were just randomly not allowed to play in the secondary like they had been all season.  I do think the chiefs dbs got away with a lot all year but you’re gonna let it happen all the way up to the superbowl where Tom Brady is on the other sideline huh 😂There’s definitely plenty of awful officiating to go around but usually over the course of a game it evens itself out…like the pats game we got screwed a few times but then we got a pretty soft late hit on josh Allen that I wouldn’t have called.  it is absolutely mindboggling that we had 5 holding/dpi calls and they had 0 against the bucs though with all the obvious cr*p they got away with 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Dr. Who]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

But it definitely wasn’t cheating when we beat the LA Rams last year on a questionable PI call, that one was legit

I don't think anyone is saying we don't ever get a questionable call. Does your example make all the other points go away, because I am skeptical of your skepticism?

[Dukestreetking]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Along with throwing a perfect 40 yard lob to evans along the sideline on 3rd down with a man in his face. 

 

Fair point. Imho, I actually thought TB* was trying to throw OoB w maybe a little 50-50 ball thrown in. 

 

I would guess 80-20 former over the latter.

 

If it was the latter, however, then that was one of the most ridiculously skilled passes I've ever seen. Back foot, clutch, defender-in-his-grill type throws.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Dukestreetking

[GoBills808]

Just now, Dr. Who said:

I don't think anyone is saying we don't ever get a questionable call. Does your example make all the other points go away, because I am skeptical of your skepticism?

All which other points? That an outlier in holding calls is evidence of fraud?

[Dr. Who]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

All which other points? That an outlier in holding calls is evidence of fraud?

That is the extreme conclusion. Most are saying there is a bias, conscious or not, that benefits certain players and teams. The Bills are not one of those teams. It has clearly cost us games.

[P Riv]

Looking at the Diggs no call and the Evans call, the most obvious thing that sticks out to me is whether the DB had his head turned around.  That's MORE obvious than any other issue, which goes a long way to explaining how things unfolded.  

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

That is the extreme conclusion. Most are saying there is a bias, conscious or not, that benefits certain players and teams. The Bills are not one of those teams. It has clearly cost us games.

Let’s be clear: conscious bias would be cheating. Subconscious bias would fall under what I call ‘bad officiating’ which despite the 5 threads about it this week is not a new phenomenon in pro football.

 

If the Bills were 10-3, which they could easily be right now without any change to how the games have been officiated, there would be zero talk of the league screwing us. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

That should create more holding calls as he extends the plays and DB's need to hold coverage longer.

As the QB leaves the pocket and he may look like he is becoming a runner. As this happens defenses are able to get physical with the receivers 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

With the advent of widespread sports betting on NFL games, we shouldn't be naive enough to believe that this hasn't influenced play or officiating.  High profile teams and high profile games often create a lot of betting volume.  TB and Bills was probably one of those kinds of games.

[Billsfan1972]

And remember how bad KC's defense was early in the season and when the Bills played them and there was all the talk about KC's DBs holding and physicality?  

 

Yep you guessed it the Chiefs had no penalties called against their secondary.😜

[msw2112]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

But it definitely wasn’t cheating when we beat the LA Rams last year on a questionable PI call, that one was legit

 

Who cheated?

 

If I recall correctly, the Bills got a very favorable call during the game winning drive against the Rams last year.  I also recall a terrible call against the Bills TE earlier in the same game.  

 

Sometimes the Bills benefit from bad calls and other times it costs them.  In some games, there are a number of bad calls and some go one team's way and some go the other team's way and they "balance out."  In this past Sunday's games Bills-Bucs game, the balance of the calls, partcularly late in the 4th quarter and in OT, went the Bucs way and had an enormous influence in the outcome of the game.

[The Red King]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

But it definitely wasn’t cheating when we beat the LA Rams last year on a questionable PI call, that one was legit

 

In a game that the Rams got back in to off a bad call that somehow gave a dual-possession catch to the defense.  At least the critical bad calls were split evenly.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Dukestreetking said:

 

Fair point. Imho, I actually thought TB* was trying to throw OoB w maybe a little 50-50 ball thrown in. 

 

I would guess 80-20 former over the latter.

 

If it was the latter, however, then that was one of the most ridiculously skilled passes I've ever seen. Back foot, clutch, defender-in-his-grill type throws.

 

 

Seriously. That pass along with the TD to evans we’re two of the best passes I’ve ever seen. One with extreme touch.  One with lots of mustard.  Both in the perfect spot.  Gotta give credit where credit it due.  He’s unbelievable.  

[Billsfan1972]

Here's a great picture......  No one saw anything.....  The Buc defender has fallen and is dragging Diggs with him.

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

502 pass attempts in 13 games for the season.  So 2 holdings in 502 pass attempts.  No defensive holding in 99.6% of pass attempts. 

 

Even worse, take into account a significant number of 4 and 5 receiver sets and the opportunities to hold multiply out to 2,000+ receiver/defender engagements.  In accounting for coverage opportunities in reality it might be 2 in 2,000+.  Which is even more unbelievable.  Looking at it that way 99.9% of receivers out in the pattern were not held at any time by the defender.  Sounds impossible.

The NFL will determine when we're allowed to win. If Josh's playmaking adds eyeballs and advertising $ to games, we'll start getting the "Jordan rules" love that Brady has enjoyed for 20 years. Once the Brady/ Belichick narrative finally ends, the NFL will have to find new money makers.

[thenorthremembers]

Unless it turns the L into a W it doesnt matter.  Until the NFL eliminates the human aspect of Refs on the field it will never change.  At this point the booth judge should have ultimate authority over all calls.

 

 

[Dr. Who]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Let’s be clear: conscious bias would be cheating. Subconscious bias would fall under what I call ‘bad officiating’ which despite the 5 threads about it this week is not a new phenomenon in pro football.

 

If the Bills were 10-3, which they could easily be right now without any change to how the games have been officiated, there would be zero talk of the league screwing us. 

Yes, if we had overcome wildly bad officiating and won, folks would quickly get over it. It's ridiculous, however, to simply dismiss the attrocious calls made and obvious calls that were not made as special pleading based on nothing much. Your assertions amount to the usual "play well enough to overcome bad referees. If you don't, it's your fault and not the splendid indifference of the NFL to blatantly awful officiating." If it doesn't bother you, that's your perogative. Folks who are upset have a right to be. 

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Yes, if we had overcome wildly bad officiating and won, folks would quickly get over it. It's ridiculous, however, to simply dismiss the attrocious calls made and obvious calls that were not made as special pleading based on nothing much. Your assertions amount to the usual "play well enough to overcome bad referees. If you don't, it's your fault and not the splendid indifference of the NFL to blatantly awful officiating." If it doesn't bother you, that's your perogative. Folks who are upset have a right to be. 

This pretty much sums it up.  
 
To each their own.  If you’re not upset, that’s your right, but I don’t get why people get upset about other getting upset because our team was blatantly screwed by the refs.  Yes, refs make mistakes.  Yes, people get pissed when refs make mistakes that have a part in their team losing.  

[muppy]

6 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

NO SHITE!

 

And why hasn’t he? 
 

I’m not a conspiracy believer, but I am a 100% believer in the theory that star teams and star players almost ALWAYS get that call!

 

If Brady is throwing to Gronk there, he gets that call 1000% of the time! By now, Bills fans have seen 2 decades of the Cheatriots getting late DPI calls, Holding calls and ball spots that aren’t within 3/4 of a yard!

 

THE BILLS DON’T GET THESE EVER WHEN PLAYING THEM! 
 

For McClapper to simply sit on his hands after that screw job on Sunday, is now an indictment of him! 
 

GO BALLISTIC! Take the fine and put the officials on the spot for the future!

i liked what you wrote because Ive been advocating for shakeup, even a tantrum which it reads like you would like to see and I Agree actually..

 

all this even temper around the zebras is definitely on my nerves too because I figure if Im raging at my TV due to them  McD should be raging righteously too. I get it. But McD is a risks vs rewards kind of guy...he's keeping a pretty closed lid to his temper as Leader to show his men to keep their heads in the game, dont bring on any negativity aka fines etc etc tc I dunno Im basically spitballing ideas here......Yeah not like a good tantrum will likely change THAT call but maybe impact a future game. **shrug**....The NFL SHOULD be embarrased after last weeks debacle. If we're lucky we get a few payback calls our way but even that I dont have  confidence will happen.

 

freakin refs are a crapshoot as to what negative impact that individual days crew will have on any game. Its ridiculous

 

/vent

Edited December 14, 2021 by muppy

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

The T Sun has a paywall so I copied and pasted the complete article.

 

The link I referred to was the nflpenalties.com link

Please don’t.  There’s this thing called ‘copyright law’.  Excerpts only please.