Game Week: Week 15 Carolina Panthers at Bills thread

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

There it is for us. Beat Carolina and the division is on the line in foxburro. For the way this season has gone, can’t really ask for more 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, finn said:

 

I'd take another Ted Washington where the Bills will be picking. 

 

 

There are rarely more than 1 or 2 massive DT's in the NFL in any given season that are comparable to what Ted Washington was when he was with the Bills.......and that's being generous.     IMO there hasn't been anyone with his combo of size, durability, longevity and impact since he retired.

 

[Aussie Joe]

27 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

There it is for us. Beat Carolina and the division is on the line in foxburro. For the way this season has gone, can’t really ask for more 

Unlike you to count your chickens…

 

Win tomorrow first 

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Unlike you to count your chickens…

 

Win tomorrow first 

That's what "Beat Carolina" means. 

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

That's what "Beat Carolina" means. 

Ah yes … i see that now… I should have known he wouldn’t have overlooked tomorrows game …

Edited December 19, 2021 by Aussie Joe

[atlbillsfan1975]

30 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Except BB has struggled big time with drafts the past 6-7 years. GOAT coach…but he struggled in the draft for quite a few years… 

100%. 

[Fan in Chicago]

Let's take care of business today,  boys, girls and everyone. 

One too many scotches tonight.  Saturday was good,  let's have a winning Sunday.  

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Thriftygamer83]

Buffalo is going to blow them out, blow out New England, Falcons, and finally put the Jets away.  Let's just say it teams going to get better, silence the critics, and show they are for real.  I Billieve in this team for the first time this season after the Bucs loss.

[JGMcD2]

12 hours ago, finn said:

Yes, that hurts. KC chose Humphrey and Smith, both now excellent starters, and the Bills, picking before them, chose Basham and Doyle, both developmental projects. (They also chose Stevenson, Hamlin and Wildgoose instead of Smith.) Think about that next time someone lauds Beane's drafting prowess. 

I think you need to have an understanding of how the draft works before you comment on it. 
 

Trey Smith has some medical issues that caused him to be removed from a lot of teams draft boards. It’s not as simple as just picking. If the medical team determines a player is a high risk, it’s not smart for the football guys to ignore them. 
 

The medical guys aren’t the in-house training staff either - the team uses independent doctors to conducts tests and review medical records alongside their in-house staff. 
 

Also, citing one example of one player in the 6th round that Beane didn’t take isn’t necessarily a strong case for him being a poor drafter… 

[Thriftygamer83]

8 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

I think you need to have an understanding of how the draft works before you comment on it. 
 

Trey Smith has some medical issues that caused him to be removed from a lot of teams draft boards. It’s not as simple as just picking. If the medical team determines a player is a high risk, it’s not smart for the football guys to ignore them. 
 

The medical guys aren’t the in-house training staff either - the team uses independent doctors to conducts tests and review medical records alongside their in-house staff. 
 

Also, citing one example of one player in the 6th round that Beane didn’t take isn’t necessarily a strong case for him being a poor drafter… 

What we're not thinking about is it just could take a year for guys to truthfully open up and learn the system.  If they suddenly come in next year, as the next Bruce Smith, and putting away teams how terrifying would that defensive unit be?  The biggest whiff that Buffalo has made is Ford.  Just doesn't fit well into the line at all.

[CSBill]

As far as we know, is Dion Dawkins the only one COVID protocols? ... Hopefully he clears and is able to play today. But, to be honest, I'm not fretting over it. His play this season has been mediorce, at best. Assuming Feliciano is back,  even with the switching around (Brown, Bates, or Doyle to LT?), it's probably a wash, over-all.

[finn]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

I think you need to have an understanding of how the draft works before you comment on it. 
 

Trey Smith has some medical issues that caused him to be removed from a lot of teams draft boards. It’s not as simple as just picking. If the medical team determines a player is a high risk, it’s not smart for the football guys to ignore them. 
 

The medical guys aren’t the in-house training staff either - the team uses independent doctors to conducts tests and review medical records alongside their in-house staff. 
 

Also, citing one example of one player in the 6th round that Beane didn’t take isn’t necessarily a strong case for him being a poor drafter… 

I realize there was a medical issue in Smith's case, but it he would have been a risk worth taking for a sixth-round pick. KC thought so, too, and they were right. Beane was wrong. Also, I didn't just cite the one example, nor did I claim he was a poor drafter necessarily.

 

I think you need to have an understanding of the draft before you comment on it. You might also pick up some reading glasses while you bone up. 

[RunTheBall]

If Dawkins can’t go, Daboll better scheme up a game plan that recognizes the fact that the left side is going to be a jail break no matter who we put out there. I’m still hoping that was false positive and he gets a second negative test today, idk if there’s been anymore info on that front.

 

This is a huge test for Daboll. He’s got a nicked up Josh who probably can’t run as well and possibly no LT worth a damn and no blocking TE to help. He needs to develop a plan for Josh to get rid of the ball quickly. If he comes out with all verticles and long developing routes right out of the gate I’m going to lose my sht. 

 

Panthers have a good D. I’ve seen a lot of talk about blowing them out and playing NE for the division next week. Already we are getting ahead of ourselves by even thinking that after some of the losses we’ve had this year. I’m concerned and hope we take care of business today before considering the Pats*.

[CNYfan]

3 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

If Dawkins can’t go, Daboll better scheme up a game plan that recognizes the fact that the left side is going to be a jail break no matter who we put out there. I’m still hoping that was false positive and he gets a second negative test today, idk if there’s been anymore info on that front.

 

This is a huge test for Daboll. He’s got a nicked up Josh who probably can’t run as well and possibly no LT worth a damn and no blocking TE to help. He needs to develop a plan for Josh to get rid of the ball quickly. If he comes out with all verticles and long developing routes right out of the gate I’m going to lose my sht. 

 

Panthers have a good D. I’ve seen a lot of talk about blowing them out and playing NE for the division next week. Already we are getting ahead of ourselves by even thinking that after some of the losses we’ve had this year. I’m concerned and hope we take care of business today before considering the Pats*.

I more or less agree with this sentiment

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, finn said:

I realize there was a medical issue in Smith's case, but it he would have been a risk worth taking for a sixth-round pick. KC thought so, too, and they were right. Beane was wrong. Also, I didn't just cite the one example, nor did I claim he was a poor drafter necessarily.

 

I think you need to have an understanding of the draft before you comment on it. You might also pick up some reading glasses while you bone up. 

If you realized that… you should probably bring it up. You insinuated he was a bad drafter… 

You’re also not paying attention to how the medical process works. If he’s REMOVED from the board as a medical risk… he’s not going to be taken. 

 

Considering one of us has been involved with drafts (outside of their parents basement) and the other hasn’t… I think I’ll stand by my comment. 

Edited December 19, 2021 by JGMcD2

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, CSBill said:

As far as we know, is Dion Dawkins the only one COVID protocols? ... Hopefully he clears and is able to play today. But, to be honest, I'm not fretting over it. His play this season has been mediorce, at best. Assuming Feliciano is back,  even with the switching around (Brown, Bates, or Doyle to LT?), it's probably a wash, over-all.

Him and Dodson 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

If Dawkins can’t go, Daboll better scheme up a game plan that recognizes the fact that the left side is going to be a jail break no matter who we put out there. I’m still hoping that was false positive and he gets a second negative test today, idk if there’s been anymore info on that front.

 

It's my understanding at this point, Dawkins only needs one negative test to play today and can be activated this morning.

But we'll see.

 

[RunTheBall]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's my understanding at this point, Dawkins only needs one negative test to play today and can be activated this morning.

But we'll see.

 

Thanks for the info. If he only needs one negative my bet is that he plays as I think the positive test was false.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

I think you need to have an understanding of how the draft works before you comment on it. 
 

Trey Smith has some medical issues that caused him to be removed from a lot of teams draft boards. It’s not as simple as just picking. If the medical team determines a player is a high risk, it’s not smart for the football guys to ignore them. 
 

The medical guys aren’t the in-house training staff either - the team uses independent doctors to conducts tests and review medical records alongside their in-house staff. 
 

Also, citing one example of one player in the 6th round that Beane didn’t take isn’t necessarily a strong case for him being a poor drafter… 

 

This.  First, there's the point that 30 other teams also passed on Trey Smith or had him off their boards.

 

In the 5th and 6th round, there's a fairly low probability of a player (any player) staying on an NFL roster past his rookie season.  I calculated at one point and IIRC it was something like 15%, and again - that's to be an NFL player, not a starter, not a star. 

 

Of course, sometimes these guys turn into significant contributors -- Milano, Teller.  More often special teams - Neal, Jacquan Johnson, Rayray McCloud

 

Sometimes a team wins the lottery late in the draft or by trading a late round pick.  Looks like that's true for KC.  But passing up a particular late round draft pick doesn't damn a GM, that's nuts.