Game Week: Week 15 Carolina Panthers at Bills thread

[Wyobills89]

If whoever goes at LT does a decent job, is it a possibility to move Dawkins inside?

[BillsVet]

 

2 hours ago, TheProcess said:

People get so hung up on “you can’t take X position” in the first round of the draft. Says who? We don’t have a say. They should be about stacking talent and taking the best player available. If that’s the big hoss 1T DT out of Georgia or a multi-dimensional RB to take some heat off Allen then so be it. No one on here should complain if that player work out. Personally, I’m a fan of going OL with two of the first four picks. Snag a back, corner, receiver, and a DT at some point in FA and/or remaining picks and let’s roll. 

 

Hard to believe people need this explained after Buddy Nix talked up "stacking" talent on top of talent.  

 

Positional value is real and it means acknowledging that a QB, pass rusher, WR1, CB1, and LT are more valuable than every other position is real.

 

And that begins by determining team identity.  This team tries to be a defense first team that has a stellar QB, but it's not working anymore unless changes are made. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Dawkins could still test negative and be activated as well

[Scott7975]

13 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He didn't miss a game his first two years here before Covid hit so it's not like he just got the big contract and got lazy.  I'm sure he played through some pain during those two years.  I didn't have a problem with him sitting out a year with Covid given his body weight and how little we knew about it at the time.  I'm with you that I have a huge problem with him not getting vaccinated considering he sat out a year.

 

However, I doubt you're part of the training staff that knows the difference between Allen's injury and Star's injury.  Yet alone concluding that Star is soft for not playing through it. 

 

Don't buy it.  Its a toe injury. Im sure it hurts.  I don't even know how bad it is but players that care I believe would fight through it for their team.  This guy is going on his 6th game missed this year.  I think the guy is ready to retire and just collect some easy money.

6 hours ago, SCBills said:

Wasn’t Star told by his doctor that the vaccine may not be advisable for him due to that condition, which is why he’s not vaccinated? 
 

 

Got a link to that?  If that is true then he needs a new doctor.

[MiltonWaddams]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

BB probably has quarantined a homeless guy in his basement who is given 53 swabs a day.

Even if he gets caught they will only lose a 3rd round pick but they get 3 3rd round comps every year so it's no big deal to him!

 

The media in Boston will spin this as “Belichek gives homeless man a home for the fall and winter and ensures he is not exposed to dangerous Covid”.

[NewEra]

Pretty crazy to think that we are so unprepared @ backup LT after drafting 2 tackles this past offseason.  We have FOUR Tackles that can play this week:  Brown, Williams (was paid to play RT), hart and Doyle….but none that can play LT at the NFL level. I really hope Doyle pans out in the long run.  If not, he was just a ridiculously terrible pick, while Trey Smith was available. 

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Don't buy it.  Its a toe injury. Im sure it hurts.  I don't even know how bad it is but players that care I believe would fight through it for their team.  This guy is going on his 6th game missed this year.  I think the guy is ready to retire and just collect some easy money.

 

Got a link to that?  If that is true then he needs a new doctor.

My SIL has been told the same thing by her doctor.   You people are getting ridiculous.. it’s not a one size fits all. 
 

Edited December 19, 2021 by SCBills

[Bob in STL]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Pretty crazy to think that we are so unprepared @ backup LT after drafting 2 tackles this past offseason.  We have FOUR Tackles that can play this week:  Brown, Williams (was paid to play RT), hart and Doyle….but none that can play LT at the NFL level. I really hope Doyle pans out in the long run.  If not, he was just a ridiculously terrible pick, while Trey Smith was available. 

It is crazy indeed.  
 

Brown, a 3rd rounder, was strictly a RT in college.  Doyle, a fifth rounder, is a pretty raw project.  Williams has played RT or RG.  Hart is a journeyman and is a borderline NFL player.  
 

We went into the season with an unproven rookie swing tackle (Brown).  Big mistake.   We got lucky that Brown was an improvement over Williams at RT, who has regressed dramatically in one season.  Still, there is no veteran swing tackle other than Hart right now.  

 

All of theses guys can “play” LT in a pinch, but the drop off from Dawkins will likely  be very noticeable.  Maybe Brown will be ok at LT?  
 

Add to this we don’t even have a proven blocking TE to help the tackles since we traded Lee Smith for a 7th rounder (Wildgoose). Sweeney, our #2 TE has been about as productive as Smith as a receiver, which is a problem.   Smith is as a #3 TE, not a #2, and Smith actually blocks like a tackle.  I think Sweeney is out this week.  
 

To make matter worse our Guards are less talented than our tackles.  
 

The OL has been mishandled this off season.  

[Blank Stare]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

Hard to believe people need this explained after Buddy Nix talked up "stacking" talent on top of talent.  

 

Positional value is real and it means acknowledging that a QB, pass rusher, WR1, CB1, and LT are more valuable than every other position is real.

 

And that begins by determining team identity.  This team tries to be a defense first team that has a stellar QB, but it's not working anymore unless changes are made. 

Of course positional value is real. I’m not disputing that. I wouldn’t even argue the positions you’ve listed as most important and that you should keep shooting until you nail those positions. I’d argue they have addressed all of those positions the last few years with some really good players, with the weakest of the bunch as pass rusher (as of now at least). But they did try to address it by using the top 2 picks there this year.
 

All I’m saying is we have weaknesses outside of those key positions you’ve listed. We all piss and moan about who they should or shouldn’t take every year because X position isn’t worth it, but, with where the roster is now, I think it’s silly to suggest any position is off the table in the first round. When you’ve hit on QB, you can afford to truly trust your board and not reach even if it’s not one of your above listed positions.
 

We’re at a point now where we have to start hitting on impact players to help Josh. He’s proven he can carry this team. Now, it should be about bringing in players who can help lighten the load. You want to take another CB, WR, or LT in the first round? Fine by me. Whatever the position, you just need to hit on it because it will help Josh. I feel the same about Jordan Davis or “insert RB name here” even though the positional value may not be there. I’d argue improvement to those positions would mean a helluva lot to the Bills this season based on this forum’s most common complaints on Beane’s construction of the roster this year. 
 

Personally, I’d go into this draft with a heavy offensive lean. Particularly, with respect to addressing the oline with a couple stud picks to keep Josh clean.  Tackle, guard, or center. However, guard has long been thought to be a position you rarely burn a first rounder on (Quentin Nelson excluded). I’m not saying they should, but that’s one area they need improvement and more talented players. If they find one they like, and pull the trigger in the first round, I’m not going to run around saying the positional value isn’t there.  Instead, I’ll be like everyone else with the benefit of hindsight and wait half a season like with Cody Ford and tell you he’s terrible 😜😂. 

Edited December 18, 2021 by TheProcess

[finn]

33 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Pretty crazy to think that we are so unprepared @ backup LT after drafting 2 tackles this past offseason.  We have FOUR Tackles that can play this week:  Brown, Williams (was paid to play RT), hart and Doyle….but none that can play LT at the NFL level. I really hope Doyle pans out in the long run.  If not, he was just a ridiculously terrible pick, while Trey Smith was available. 

Yes, that hurts. KC chose Humphrey and Smith, both now excellent starters, and the Bills, picking before them, chose Basham and Doyle, both developmental projects. (They also chose Stevenson, Hamlin and Wildgoose instead of Smith.) Think about that next time someone lauds Beane's drafting prowess. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

You have 2 (starting) guys that can play tackle. Might as well play Brown at LT and Williams at RT and piece through the inside 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

You have 2 (starting) guys that can play tackle. Might as well play Brown at LT and Williams at RT and piece through the inside 

 

This always blows my mind. 

 

I linked upthread to an interview with Brown where he says he 100% played RT in college, his only LT experience was a bit of spring ball and then the Bills pre-season.

 

And based on that, we're concluding he can play LT and "protect the franchise"?  How?

 

Also, Williams got moved inside and Brown got the start at RT because for whatever reason, the same guy that was capable last season kind of sucked this season

[Bimmer323i]

Does anyone know if the Pats game is gonna be on channel 4 Buffalo tonight… I hate it when they put games on the stupid nfl network 

[RiotAct]

Just now, Bimmer323i said:

Does anyone know if the Pats game is gonna be on channel 4 Buffalo tonight… I hate it when they put games on the stupid nfl network 

nope don’t believe it is.

[Scott7975]

45 minutes ago, SCBills said:

My SIL has been told the same thing by her doctor.   You people are getting ridiculous.. it’s it a one size fits all. 

 

You people?  Who or what are "you people?"  You don't know me or anything about me.  Don't give me this "you people" microaggression bull####.

 

 

Edited December 18, 2021 by Scott7975

[Bimmer323i]

27 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

nope don’t believe it is.

Ok thanks bro

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This always blows my mind. 

 

I linked upthread to an interview with Brown where he says he 100% played RT in college, his only LT experience was a bit of spring ball and then the Bills pre-season.

 

And based on that, we're concluding he can play LT and "protect the franchise"?  How?

 

Also, Williams got moved inside and Brown got the start at RT because for whatever reason, the same guy that was capable last season kind of sucked this season

Who would you like to play there then? That leaves us with what? Guys who have never played in the league period? Yeah that’s smart

[finn]

I just realized who Mac Jones reminds me of. Been bugging me. The monkey in Wizard of Oz!

[Bermuda Triangle]

Duggar is a POS too.

 

Typical Patriot trash.

[K-9]

8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

A first round pick in a rotational 1 tech for a team that’s been defense heavy, and invested a ***** ton of cap dollars into their defense while also being void of interior lineman and offensive playmakers in general would be idiotic, yes…. Also find it hard to imagine the best player available when the Bills pick will be a 1 tech defensive lineman.

Ah, I see you needed to change the scope of the conversation to be a specific issue with the Bills draft because your original general statement that only an idiot would select a 1T DT in the first round was so easily refuted with the Belichick example. Sometimes ya gotta move the goalposts I guess.