Dabol blew it late

[mannc]

7 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

Game on the line - Diggs vs Carlton Davis 1 on 1 with no help to win the game - I like our chances. He didn't misread the situation we just didn't execute. Players have to make plays.

Agreed, but I still hate the call. Just seems low percentage…I want Josh on the move there…

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

Game on the line - Diggs vs Carlton Davis 1 on 1 with no help to win the game - I like our chances. He didn't misread the situation we just didn't execute. Players have to make plays.

 

This. And the refs have to do our job. Game on the line Diggs 1v1 vs anyone that should be the call and to prove the point he had Davis beat and got dragged to the floor. I rarely get angry about ref's calls but I am still steaming over that one. You cannot blow that call. Awful, awful, awful officiating.

 

Where I will agree with the OP is I didn't love the 3 downs to start OT. If you are going to run on 1st down then you have to throw past the sticks on 2nd and 3rd down. 

[DCofNC]

Dabs may be struggling, but Diggs has absolutely blown the last 2 games.  Last week the ball hits him on the arm, in the end zone, don’t give me an excuse, the ball was literally perfect, this week, down the seem he doesn’t know where the ball is again as it drops in his pocket, then the fade, then having no clue the ball was coming again to screw our chances in OT.  He’s either quit again or has something really really wrong with him.  Right now he doesn’t belong in the field and the ball should be going to Davis.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

9 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

That 3rd & 2 call seemed like the wrong choice,  was our best option to throw up a fade pass and hope the refs calls it with two guys fighting for position.  Yes It was a foul but they should have known they were not getting calls late in the game.  I thought we could tried a rub play freeing up either Mckenzie or Beasiey or maybe a Diggs hard to the post.  Last year Josh had success with that goal line pass where he just zips a pass to Beasley before defence can even get set.  All those seemed better options then that fade pass,  I could see if Diggs was 6'4  but not at his size because if there were allowing them to play you want someone strong enough to push off the defender who is holding on.

 

He then starts OT being very conservative with a run and short passes on both 2nd & 3rd down. You make this huge come back and are playing with house money,  I think you need to be more aggressive and play to win.  How about throwing the ball down the field or the middle of field.? You know you have to score because our defence is not going continue to stop Brady and you go conservative and make it easy on them.  After we won the coin toss the mindset should have been we need to score or bust. Dabol has no feel for moment. IMO

 

Definitely agree with you on the OT part.

[Gisele]

27 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Dabs may be struggling, but Diggs has absolutely blown the last 2 games.  Last week the ball hits him on the arm, in the end zone, don’t give me an excuse, the ball was literally perfect, this week, down the seem he doesn’t know where the ball is again as it drops in his pocket, then the fade, then having no clue the ball was coming again to screw our chances in OT.  He’s either quit again or has something really really wrong with him.  Right now he doesn’t belong in the field and the ball should be going to Davis.

Him quitting on the route earlier in the game (I believe it was down the seam in the 3rd quarter) when he was held in inexcusable for a guy with his talent.  Hope for the penalty but keep playing.  Don't start screaming for the flag when the ball is still catchable.

[Bigantall]

9 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

That 3rd & 2 call seemed like the wrong choice,  was our best option to throw up a fade pass and hope the refs calls it with two guys fighting for position.  Yes It was a foul but they should have known they were not getting calls late in the game.  I thought we could tried a rub play freeing up either Mckenzie or Beasiey or maybe a Diggs hard to the post.  Last year Josh had success with that goal line pass where he just zips a pass to Beasley before defence can even get set.  All those seemed better options then that fade pass,  I could see if Diggs was 6'4  but not at his size because if there were allowing them to play you want someone strong enough to push off the defender who is holding on.

 

He then starts OT being very conservative with a run and short passes on both 2nd & 3rd down. You make this huge come back and are playing with house money,  I think you need to be more aggressive and play to win.  How about throwing the ball down the field or the middle of field.? You know you have to score because our defence is not going continue to stop Brady and you go conservative and make it easy on them.  After we won the coin toss the mindset should have been we need to score or bust. Dabol has no feel for moment. IMO

Dabol has to go, next year put your OC on the Damn field he needs to feel the game from players perspective

[Wayne Cubed]

Controversial:  I thought Dabolls offensive game plan this week was pretty good. Agree the 3 calls in OT weren't great. The execution by the OL absolutely sucked, in the first half.

 

It's weird because a lot of the play calls were what was missing last week. 

[colin]

the play that sticks out the most to me: in the first half, where we ran either zero or 1 rb runs so far, we pull some goofy play action from under center (normally, i think this is about our best formation, but with either side of zero attempts to run, it isn't set up), the line parts in the middle (by design) and the MLB who was really close to the line just runs free.  breida comes in late and to high to block him, and josh gets creamed.

 

i am CERTAIN daboll has read the analysis which shows that it doesn't really matter how well you are running for play action to work, i.e. over all play action plays around the league if teams rush for good YPC or not good YPC, you get a gain from play action.  what is missed here is in a game where you are down bad, and are simply not running the ball, the LBs will be much more likely to just blitz immediately rather than be playing back but not deep enough.  so we get a big hit on josh, a loss of yards and a down, and risk a turnover to gain what?  a shot at an 8 yard pick up?

 

even in our best games on O (and this was clearly one of our better ones this season) we kinda just throw stuff against the wall and look to see what sticks.  no wonder we get so many half azzed routes and goofy blocks, do any of our players have confidence in what the coaches are setting the team up to do on O?

[Gugny]

Late???

[colin]

Just now, Wayne Cubed said:

Controversial:  I thought Dabolls offensive game plan this week was pretty good. Agree the 3 calls in OT weren't great. The execution by the OL absolutely sucked, in the first half.

 

It's weird because a lot of the play calls were what was missing last week. 

 

you're not wrong, but imo he like randomly walked into some stuff that was working when josh got hot in the 2nd half.  in the first half, and a couple other drives, nothing he called set anything up, nor was set up by any prior calls.

[Wayne Cubed]

1 minute ago, colin said:

 

you're not wrong, but imo he like randomly walked into some stuff that was working when josh got hot in the 2nd half.  in the first half, and a couple other drives, nothing he called set anything up, nor was set up by any prior calls.

 

I think with what happened in the 2nd half showed what he was calling, in the first half, was good. The difference was the OL was actually blocking. 

 

You have to also remember they call a lot of RPO and 90% of the time Josh pulls the ball. Those long runs that were successful in the 2nd half for Singletary/Brieda were all RPOs, that Josh didn't pull the ball.

[colin]

Just now, Wayne Cubed said:

 

I think with what happened in the 2nd half showed what he was calling, in the first half, was good. The difference was the OL was actually blocking. 

 

You have to also remember they call a lot of RPO and 90% of the time Josh pulls the ball. Those long runs that were successful in the 2nd half for Singletary/Brieda were all RPOs, that Josh didn't pull the ball.

 

 

no, i don't think you can give him that much credit.  part of his calling plays is to call what is best vs the d, and what his players on the field are likely to be able to execute.  also, away from dialing up plays, there needs to be a smart system in place in practice where you are putting money in the bank all year to get really good at some bread and butter stuff, and during the week you have to practice the plays you are gonna feature.

 

he's simply not shown that at all.  every football fan w a good head for the game i know comment that the bills just sort of line up in shotgun, and wr's run around and allen avoids the rush and finds them.  the constant jail breaks are a huge issue, but we don't seem to be able to call draws and screens and quick passes out of jumbo or max protect.  we see our players make mistakes the odd time we attempt these, but to me that's on coaching.  two seasons w the nearly exact same cast on a pro team means you need to have some man, blitz, and zone beaters that you can go to.  

 

dabol is just playing madden out there.  his 2020 season was an aberation because diggs and allen and bease are monsters and covered up for his poor ability.  proof of this is how fast we've fallen apart, and literally every single offensive performance he coached prior to 2020.

[stosh64]

6 hours ago, letsgoteam said:

I dont have anything to back this statement. But I think after he lost BOTH of his grandparents, he hasnt been the same.

 

I remember when my Dad passed away unexpectedly a few years ago. I was messed up (mentally) for months. It also took a few years to realize how messed up I was during that.

FFS, yeah it sucks, but they were GRANDPARENTS.  He was very Blessed to have them around at his age (and SHAPE).  Making excuses for a middle aged man not being able to function for this reason is pathetic.  So you are saying Daboll is as soft as he looks?  That I believe.

Men are turning into such pussies, it's pathetic.

[LabattBlue]

If Daboll and Johnson are back next year, get ready for more of what you are seeing this year.  They both suck. 

[JerseyBills]

14 hours ago, Do The Reich Thing said:

Players did execute. 
 

 

They should have went right back to Diggs on 4th or ran Allen twice there. 

4 hours ago, BTB said:

If Daboll and Johnson are back next year, get ready for more of what you are seeing this year.  They both suck. 

How do you explain 2020 though. How did the red zone O especially, regress so much? I don't think it's squarely coaching 

[Alphadawg7]

Daboll is the #1 achilles heal on this team, and I think its pretty clear.  

 

Agree with the OP...Fade pass on 3rd and 2?  Come on, even Romo said it...this is where you call your BEST play PERIOD.  And a Fade pass, requiring a QB to float a ball before the WR has even run his route or knows he is open is a gamble every time.  First down, sure, go ahead and throw...2nd down, dont love it, but dont hate it. 3rd down, no F-ING way.  

 

We have...ALLENS LEGS.  KNOX SIZE.  COLE SHIFTYNESS.  DAVIS SIZE AND HANDS.  AND DIGGS ROUTE RUNNING AND HANDS.  So what does Daboll due, take all fo that away and choose to throw a coin toss ball to Diggs on a MUST have play.  

 

Everyone knew we could not under any circumstance give Brady a chance to win that game.  You can not try that play figuring we still get OT on the FG.  We needed to know we must run our best play using everything at our disposal to get that TD.  

 

DABOLL needs to go.  He is holding this team back with poor red zone coaching and his allergy to running the football. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

FWIW I think Diggs is hurt.  He kept coming out in the 4Q.

Is that why he kept coming out of the game ?

[JerseyBills]

4 hours ago, BTB said:

If Daboll and Johnson are back next year, get ready for more of what you are seeing this year.  They both suck. 

How do you explain 2020 though. How did the red zone O especially, regress so much? I don't think it's squarely coaching. Seems a few players on the OL regressed which has made for some sloppy , inconsistent drives. 

But I do feel like our lack of rhythm on O is alot to do with coaching

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

5 hours ago, stosh64 said:

FFS, yeah it sucks, but they were GRANDPARENTS.  He was very Blessed to have them around at his age (and SHAPE).  Making excuses for a middle aged man not being able to function for this reason is pathetic.  So you are saying Daboll is as soft as he looks?  That I believe.

Men are turning into such pussies, it's pathetic.

Daboll

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

14 hours ago, 727Bills said:

He needs to go but I only think that happens if he gets hired away or McD is gone.... McD is too stubborn to fire him 

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