SNF - Bear @ Packers

[Ralonzo]

I don’t have the sound on but what did 22 do that could possibly be a penalty there? Seems like awfully suspicious reffing toward an outcome that makes the league happy

[djp14150]

That was a crap call nullifying a muff punt recovery.

 

ive seen similar penalties that were called that were clearly oblivious where the player just ran down the white strip.  That call wasn’t that at all.

 

 And call…surprise. More ref bias

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:01 AM, Ralonzo said:

I don’t have the sound on but what did 22 do that could possibly be a penalty there? Seems like awfully suspicious reffing toward an outcome that makes the league happy

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The Bears player got forced out of bounds, then immediately came back inbounds and got blatantly held by a Packers player. They completely fabricated a penalty to negate the turnover.

[jkeerie]

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:03 AM, djp14150 said:

That was a crap call nullifying a muff punt recovery.

 

ive seen similar penalties that were called that were clearly oblivious where the player just ran down the white strip.  That call wasn’t that at all.

 

 And call…surprise. More ref bias

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They said the player can't purposefully go out of bounds on the punt.  Then they added if he does he must make an attempt to immediately come back in bounds.  So...I saw the gunner run out of bounds then immediately come back in bounds.  So what's the foul?

[djp14150]

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:07 AM, jkeerie said:

They said the player can't purposefully go out of bounds on the punt.  Then they added if he does he must make an attempt to immediately come back in bounds.  So...I saw the gunner run out of bounds then immediately come back in bounds.  So what's the foul?

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  On 12/13/2021 at 4:07 AM, jkeerie said:

They said the player can't purposefully go out of bounds on the punt.  Then they added if he does he must make an attempt to immediately come back in bounds.  So...I saw the gunner run out of bounds then immediately come back in bounds.  So what's the foul?

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he was forced out by the gunner and came back in right away.  That is not a penalty.

 

it’s equivalent of calling a hand check a PI

[TheFunPolice]

Looked like a good call to me...

 

Go Pack!

 

Get that #1 seed! 

[GETTOTHE50]

packers run a pro-offense. the bills run a college offense with the best QB in the game.

 

imagine if Allen had the play-calling and run game like rodgers has. we would be seeing the same thing

[Motorin']

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:07 AM, jkeerie said:

They said the player can't purposefully go out of bounds on the punt.  Then they added if he does he must make an attempt to immediately come back in bounds.  So...I saw the gunner run out of bounds then immediately come back in bounds.  So what's the foul?

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Collinsworth made up that part. That's not the rule.

 

It's a 5 yard penalty if "Prior to the ball being touched by the receiving team or the end of the kick, it is a foul if a kicking team player voluntarily goes

out of bounds (without being contacted by a receiving team player) to avoid a block." 

 

The Packer was closing down the space, but didn't make contact. If the Bear player puts his shoulder into him then goes out of bounds it's not a penalty because there was contact. 

 

 

 

 

[jkeerie]

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:12 AM, djp14150 said:

 

 

he was forced out by the gunner and came back in right away.  That is not a penalty.

 

it’s equivalent of calling a hand check a PI

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I agree with you that it wasn't a penalty.  The gunner wasn't forced out in my opinion...but then immediately came back in bounds.  That should not have been a penalty.

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:14 AM, Motorin' said:

 

Collinsworth made up that part. That's not the rule.

 

It's a 5 yard penalty if "Prior to the ball being touched by the receiving team or the end of the kick, it is a foul if a kicking team player voluntarily goes

out of bounds (without being contacted by a receiving team player) to avoid a block." 

 

The Packer was closing down the space, but didn't make contact. If the Bear player puts his shoulder into him then goes out of bounds it's not a penalty because there was contact. 

 

 

 

 

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Okay...so just going out of bounds on your own constitutes a penalty irrespective of the player making an effort to come back in bounds?

[TheFunPolice]

Imagine if we could run like the Packers...

 

 

Suddenly play action becomes a thing

[BuffaloRebound]

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:07 AM, jkeerie said:

They said the player can't purposefully go out of bounds on the punt.  Then they added if he does he must make an attempt to immediately come back in bounds.  So...I saw the gunner run out of bounds then immediately come back in bounds.  So what's the foul?

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There’s just too many refs on field.  With that many guys who can throw a flag on every play, in-game consistency is almost impossible.  That was such a questionable ticky-tack call.  Green Bay is winning this game regardless of that call, but it was still BS.  

[Motorin']

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:14 AM, jkeerie said:

I agree with you that it wasn't a penalty.  The gunner wasn't forced out in my opinion...but then immediately came back in bounds.  That should not have been a penalty.

Okay...so just going out of bounds on your own constitutes a penalty irrespective of the player making an effort to come back in bounds?

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Yeah, according to the rule book. If the player goes out of bounds to avoid contact it's a 5 yard penalty regardless of how quick he comes back in bounds. 

 

I googled it in the NFL rule book pdf.

Edited December 13, 2021 by Motorin'

[TheFunPolice]

Packers and Cardinals need to win out.

 

We need 2 paths to Tampa not getting the #1 seed

[jkeerie]

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:20 AM, Motorin' said:

Yeah, according to the rule book. If the player goes out of bounds to avoid contact it's a 5 yard or sort regardless of how quick he comes back in bounds. 

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Thank you for the clarification.   Wish the commentators knew the rules.

[Motorin']

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:22 AM, jkeerie said:

Thank you for the clarification.   Wish the commentators knew the rules.

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Just doubled checked. Going out of bounds voluntarily (without contact) and not coming immediately back in bounds is 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct. 

 

So it's two different penalties. A 5 yard and 15 yard variety. 

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

You should definitely be able to advance an onside kick recovery.

[Billznut]

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:18 AM, TheFunPolice said:

Imagine if we could run like the Packers...

 

 

Suddenly play action becomes a thing

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Hopefully once we have a different offensive coordinator and better OL next year it’ll be an option. I agree Allen would be just that much more effective in all ways if we had a running game/play action ability. 

[Big Turk]

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:18 AM, TheFunPolice said:

Imagine if we could run like the Packers...

 

 

Suddenly play action becomes a thing

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For the love of God...how many times do people have to be told and shown that play action does NOT need a good running game to be effective?

[TheFunPolice]

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:43 AM, Big Turk said:

 

For the love of God...how many times do people have to be told and shown that play action does NOT need a good running game to be effective?

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Cool. Let's do it then!

 

Our offense is basically Allen running around like crazy making plays. Something a little more reproducible would be nice. 

[BuffaloRebound]

  On 12/13/2021 at 4:43 AM, Big Turk said:

 

For the love of God...how many times do people have to be told and shown that play action does NOT need a good running game to be effective?

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I don’t know.  The one time I remember us trying play action, Bucs LB didn’t even go near Breida, Breida couldn’t block him in time, and Josh got sacked as soon as he turned around.  Epic Fail.