If the Bills re-sign Edmunds, they're stupid.

[FilthyBeast]

19 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

You characterize $3-4M difference as "huge increase" but also $3M ($15M-$18M) as "not that far off . . .

 

First, despite consistent fan predictions/concerns that Edmunds will be paid Leonard, Warner and Wagner money, there is no, zip, nada, evidence that the Bills are considering that salary, no evidence that Edmunds will ask for that kind of money, or that Edmunds is expected to be offered that salary range. Per usual, no one associated with the Bills has said anything, and I've yet to see any non-Bill fan "cap expert" suggest that Edmunds is worth or will be paid like Leonard, Warner and Wagner.

 

Second, many good football experts say Milano and Edmunds positions are interchangeable. I agree, to a point, but the Bills seem to play to their strengths - Milano as a missile to seek and destroy, while Edmunds is much more a space eater, making the pass game much more difficult.  Clearly not everyone agrees, but I think the Bills believe Edmunds' skillset is much harder to replicate than Milano's. The Bills need them both to be an elite defense, but believe the Bills are willing to pay Edmunds more than Milano because Tremaine's replacement would be much, much harder to find, and those worth more to the team.

 

Not unless terms start with two early first round picks. 

 

If another team was dumb enough to offer that I can't imagine Beane not rushing to get the paperwork done to push that deal through.

 

I do think we could probably get one first round pick though because of his age and another team that understand he's miscast on this team and defense and would put him either outside in a traditional 3/4 or 4/3 defense.

[Max Fischer]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

If another team was dumb enough to offer that I can't imagine Beane not rushing to get the paperwork done to push that deal through.

 

I do think we could probably get one first round pick though because of his age and another team that understand he's miscast on this team and defense and would put him either outside in a traditional 3/4 or 4/3 defense.

 

You lost us at "miscast."

[EasternOHBillsFan]

On 1/9/2022 at 9:38 PM, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

As I said, I’ll rewatch the game and make my assessment.  Somewhat difficult to do being at the stadium. I’ll make my own judgment and not rely on these “experts” you speak of. 

 

So you'll defend a ridiculous ish stirrer in Sully by using his expertise as proof but now you bash the quote unquote experts?

 

You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

[YattaOkasan]

On 1/12/2022 at 1:59 PM, Max Fischer said:

 

You lost us at "miscast."

I don’t get why folks think he should move to DE. These are the same folks are upset that he doesn’t shed blocks well enough. So the answer is put him closer to blockers?  He’s athletic but not in the way to be a great DE. 

[Solomon Grundy]

I was hoping they'd lock this thread. 

[Rampage]

I'm convinced this thread was started by a Pats plant. It had to have been.

[Ya Digg?]

Maybe this was already mentioned  somewhere else, but for the Edmunds sucks crowd the Bills could’ve done a lot worse. Take a look at the Titans, they picked Rashaan Evans just a couple of picks later and that dude is inactive for today’s playoff game. Now that’s a linebacker not worthy of the spot he was picked 

[section122]

I hate this thread.

 

Do people really think any player on the #1 ranked defense isn't good? 

 

If he was bad then opposing teams would go at him constantly and be successful doing it. If that was the case teams would be racking up points and yards.  Neither of which is happening.

 

Edmunds is the 6th youngest player on the team! There are rookies on this team younger than him!

 

Eve of the divisional playoffs and this thread exists....

 

Don't let perfect be the enemy of very good.  

[Brand J]

Edmunds isn’t a bust, but he’s not an impact player. Money talks, so we’ll see how the team values him after next season.

 

For now, we’ve got 3 more games to win! And I hope he brings his A+ game every single one, because we’ll need it.

Edited January 23, 2022 by JayBaller10

[QLBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Edmunds isn’t a bust, but he’s not an impact player. Money talks, so we’ll see how the team values him after next season.

They will happily resign Edmunds on a win win deal. If he goes to the open market 20 teams will be after him. 

[ghostwriter]

4 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Edmunds isn’t a bust, but he’s not an impact player. Money talks, so we’ll see how the team values him after next season.

 

For now, we’ve got 3 more games to win! And I hope he brings his A+ game every single one, because we’ll need it.

He’s very much an impact player as a pass defender, but as a run defender he’s abysmal.

[BringBackFergy]

12 minutes ago, section122 said:

 There are rookies on this team younger than him!

I would hope so. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

The overall framing of this thread of the Edmunds basher is insane. To argue that he is not a very valuable piece means you don't understand football at all. The only reasonable argument is how much is he worth. 

[LABILLBACKER]

27 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

He’s very much an impact player as a pass defender, but as a run defender he’s abysmal.

That's how I feel. Is he worth 17M/ yr? We'll find out eventually.  For now you root your brains out for Tremaine and maybe he'll have that career defining play soon? 

[AuntieEm]

31 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I would hope so. 

   Yea I caught that too I just gave the Op credit he meant to say older not younger.

[Bing Bong]

3 hours ago, section122 said:

I hate this thread.

 

Do people really think any player on the #1 ranked defense isn't good? 

 

If he was bad then opposing teams would go at him constantly and be successful doing it. If that was the case teams would be racking up points and yards.  Neither of which is happening.

 

Edmunds is the 6th youngest player on the team! There are rookies on this team younger than him!

 

Eve of the divisional playoffs and this thread exists....

 

Don't let perfect be the enemy of very good.  

The thread is getting bumped every time he has a good game.

[LEBills]

Whether or not the Bills should resign Edmunds is for a different day. But according to Joe B in his latest Athletic article, he was and may be very important in our defense of the chiefs 

 

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13. The real key isn’t in the Bills secondary

 

There was a lot of talk about Bills cornerback Dane Jackson and how he’ll replace White’s role in the defense from Week 5, but the Bills are likely to limit how often Jackson is in critical one-on-one situations. Based on how Mahomes operates out of structure, the real key to the defense is none other than middle linebacker Tremaine Edmunds. Edmunds was the hidden star of the Bills’ pass coverage in the last Chiefs game. You can see some of the snapshots of how Edmunds was a difference-maker from our All-22 review in October. The short version is that when Mahomes escaped the pocket, rather than running toward Mahomes, Edmunds turned and went hunting for the nearest receiver crossing the middle of the field — a crutch of Mahomes’ improvisational ability. Not many middle linebackers have the size and athleticism to pull that off. If the Chiefs have trouble doing this against the Bills, Edmunds will likely have a significant role in it.

 

[LeGOATski]

The Bills are gonna re-sign Edmunds. It's almost a sure thing.

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, section122 said:

I hate this thread.

 

Do people really think any player on the #1 ranked defense isn't good? 

 

If he was bad then opposing teams would go at him constantly and be successful doing it. If that was the case teams would be racking up points and yards.  Neither of which is happening.

 

Edmunds is the 6th youngest player on the team! There are rookies on this team younger than him!

 

Eve of the divisional playoffs and this thread exists....

 

Don't let perfect be the enemy of very good.  

This is so true. Pay Cam Lewis $20M next year. He’s on the #1 defense, he can’t be not good!

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

This is so true. Pay Cam Lewis $20M next year. He’s on the #1 defense, he can’t be not good!

 

 

See, this is how pitifully far someone has to stretch to argue against the obvious here. A stupid argument on the face of it, in every word.

 

Lewis has 55 snap on defense. Tremaine has 873, 94%. Pretending an occasional role player's  compares to the effect Edmunds has ... it's sad. On the other hand, those are the kind of arguments you have to take on that side of the question. So it's not all that surprising that silly examples show up here.

 

Nor is Edmunds going to get $20M when he re-signs with the Bills. He'll make a lot, but not $20M.

 

Severely sad argument.

 

 

Edited January 23, 2022 by Thurman#1