If the Bills re-sign Edmunds, they're stupid.

[No_Matter_What]

If we trade him this off-season, does it leave us with any dead cap? I don't understand how trades work in this regard.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, billrooter said:

Conlan, Fletcher, and Spellman disagree with you.

Conlan had a few good years, fragile oft hurt, Talley was better…. London undersized struggled vs the run, not sure who the third one is. 

[billrooter]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Conlan had a few good years, fragile oft hurt, Talley was better…. London undersized struggled vs the run, not sure who the third one is. 

Was editing when you responded, Spielman, could add a pre injured Cowart as.well. The whole London atruggled.vs the run or made tackles 15 yards down the field was overblown in my opinion, at least he made them. Daryl was an outside linebacker though and Maddox was in the middle right?

[Dopey]

On 12/12/2021 at 8:14 PM, nedboy7 said:

 

We get that call in the endzone and we win.  So no I am not obsessed with one players bad play.  These non stop bashing threads are just people having tantrums.  Same ***** every single day on here. 

By the same group of people.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, billrooter said:

Was editing when you responded, Spielman, could add a pre injured Cowart as.well. The whole London atruggled.vs the run or made tackles 15 yards down the field was overblown in my opinion, at least he made them. Daryl was an outside linebacker though and Maddox was in the middle right?

Cowart was going to be Patrick Willis until he got hurt. That was almost my point. Wasn’t Speilman olb? 

 

It’s one of those positions I can’t remember a long term stud in the entire history of the team

 

poz glass

kiko bust

Sheppard slow 

Preston Brown coverage liability 

Takeo Spikes short rental

Edited December 15, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Norcalbillsfan]

4 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I checked out of curiosity, Edmunds is currently rated the #45 LB out of 83 per PFF. That's the best ranking he's had in 4 years.

 

2018: 67/91

2019: 47/89

2020: 74/83

2021: 45/83

 

I've seen mentions of Devin White a lot; he's generally been worse per PFF. He does make the splash plays that Edmunds doesn't, but having watched almost every game of White's career; he too ends up out of place a ton, but he's surrounded by far better players in the front 7, including Lavonte David, who is as good a LB as anyone in the league.

 

Devin White:

2019: 67/89

2020: 62/83

2021: 74/83

 

My personal opinion: I assumed we would pick up Edmunds' option and I think we'll likely re-sign him but I disagree with both of those things. To me, he is the exact kind of luxury we can't really afford to keep on this team.

Supporting cast does matter, look how edmunds looked last year without Milano. The pff data is interesting, I knew edmunds looked better this year than last year. But pff lost me when they gave cody ford a decent grade against the jags, pff didn't take into account ford was getting away with holding damn near every play and josh was dipping out of the pocket immediately lol

[Billl]

4 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

If we trade him this off-season, does it leave us with any dead cap? I don't understand how trades work in this regard.

No, but that basically makes him untradeable because nobody is giving up picks for the right to pay him $13,000,000 for one season and then have him be a FA.  Cutting him would make it all a dead cap hit.  He’s a Bill in 2022.

[Billy Zabka]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

No, but that basically makes him untradeable because nobody is giving up picks for the right to pay him $13,000,000 for one season and then have him be a FA.  Cutting him would make it all a dead cap hit.  He’s a Bill in 2022.

Bingo...

[billrooter]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Cowart was going to be Patrick Willis until he got hurt. That was almost my point. Wasn’t Speilman olb? 

 

It’s one of those positions I can’t remember a long term stud in the entire history of the team

 

poz glass

kiko bust

Sheppard slow 

Preston Brown coverage liability 

Takeo Spikes short rental

  No Spiel man was an inside backer, god I wish we would have somehow drafted him, he was something else. Cowart was a stud a shame he got hurt.and wasn't the same after. Kiko looked great his rookie year and wouldn't call him a bust. 

 

 

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Billl said:

No, but that basically makes him untradeable because nobody is giving up picks for the right to pay him $13,000,000 for one season and then have him be a FA.  Cutting him would make it all a dead cap hit.  He’s a Bill in 2022.

Exactly,  I've been saying all week we're stuck with him and that 12.7M.  Love for us to return to a true 4-3. Leave Klein as the Mike and put 49/58 outside. But then it requires Dermott to scrub the nickel. Which he'd probably never do. So did I mention we're stuck.....

[pennstate10]

I’m not exactly sure where to put this, but Joe Buscaglia has a great write up on the walk off TD pass in the Athletic. It’s behind a pay wall, but worth it. 
 

How did the Bills defense fall apart on the Buccaneers’ OT winner? All-22 film review 

 

in a nutshell, Pats had crossers. Either 39 or 30 missed the call. Probably 30 cause he’s new. 
 

Edmunds did his best to clean up the mess. He’s not at fault for this play. 

Edited December 16, 2021 by pennstate10
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[JaCrispy]

7 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

I’m not exactly sure where to put this, but Joe Buscaglia has a great write up on the walk off TD pass in the Athletic. It’s behind a pay wall, but worth it. 
 

How did the Bills defense fall apart on the Buccaneers’ OT winner? All-22 film review 

 

in a nutshell, Pars had crosses. Either 39 or 30 missed the call. Probably 30 cause he’s new. 
 

Edmunds did his best to clean up the mess. He’s not at fault for this play. 

Regardless, i feel it would be unwise to extend him...there is plenty of other film to back that up...

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 12/12/2021 at 6:59 PM, Process said:

He doesn't get sacks

He doesn't tackle for loss

He doesn't get interceptions

He doesn't cause fumbles

He doesn't recover fumbles

He sucks against the run

He sucks against the pass

 

The Bills are playing with 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I would sign him to the Milano deal but that would be as high as I went. His instincts are not good, he never hits the right rushing gap and he gets thrown around when he is near the LOS. You are basically signing a LB who is good in coverage and that’s it. He doesn’t create many turnovers and he doesn’t get sacks. The only thing that he has working for him is that he is young and will probably get a little better. 

[Joe Ferguson]

Tremaine needs a nickname called Endgame Edmunds. He ends the game for the Bills multiple times

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Tremaine needs a nickname called Endgame Edmunds. He ends the game for the Bills multiple times

How about "Not so Tremainedous"....or Edmud 

[cba fan]

On 12/15/2021 at 11:28 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The Bills have always always always had issues with inside linebacker play.

 

No issue here upgrading Edmunds, or any other position for that matter, but I’d love to hear who that upgrade is going to be.

 

 

Klein is better football player at ML.

Edmunds needs to play outside before i give him big deal.

[Bing Bong]

On 12/15/2021 at 4:09 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

poz glass

kiko bust

Sheppard slow 

Preston Brown coverage liability 

Takeo Spikes short rental

I'd say Poz was my favorite Bills LB since I've been a fan 2000s on.

 

I'd love to have someone like him again, not that he was a world beater or anything

[DJB]

Always thought that Milano and Edmunds needed to swap spots. Milano is far better at sticking his nose in and shedding blocks and making those tough tackles. Edmunds needs to be moved to OLB but he CANNOT return on a long term deal as our MLB.

[cba fan]

On 12/15/2021 at 2:55 PM, billrooter said:

Conlan, Fletcher, Spielman, and Cowart (pre Injury) disagree with you.

yes. And Mark Maddox was a stud and still improving until he tore his ACL on MNF vs Browns doing what i always said is dangerous and players should never do. 

 

Just a little late to the tackle pile and instead of diving over it he hurdles and catches his leg under himself as he lands awkwardly and blows his ACL. I could have cried. 😥

 

Maybe diving would increase shoulder on elbow injury but i take that over ACL.