[Edit] The Obligatory Edmunds Thread (was: Edmunds name-only title)

[DCofNC]

7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Showing your ignorance in fantastic fashion earns you style points. Glaring lack of understanding, not so much. 
I’ll type slowly so you may be able to comprehend. 
Applying

the 

5th 

year 

option

gives 

the 

team

one 

more 

season 

of

coaching

and 

growing

with

intent

to 

mold

this

rare

physical 

specimen

into 

a

HOF

game-changing

player.

If

unsuccessful,

he’s 

released

after 

next 

season

with 

no 

future

$$

obligations 

Ok, I’ll type like a normal human being so everyone else sees just how stupid you really are.  The 5th year option GUARANTEES you have to pay a player again. Which cost you $12.69MM next year, or you could slap either a transition tag on him, which as of 2021 was worth $12.7MM and gives you first right of refusal or you could put the franchise tag on him for $14.7MM.  So you committed $12.69MM of cap space for a career underachiever, to save next to nothing.  Now he has proved he’s not worth that and you are stuck, or you had the option to lock him down if he blew up with no risk, or work on a mid year contract for likely the same money if he was playing well.  So you took all the risk, for next to zero reward and now you are stuck.   
 

Ignorance is bliss, but only for the ignorant, the rest of us still can’t stand you.

[colin]

8 hours ago, RunJoshRun said:

Check out his Wonderlic score in the draft that year.  

 

 

oh dear, im afraid to look.  that bad?

[freddyjj]

8 hours ago, RunJoshRun said:

Check out his Wonderlic score in the draft that year.  

I wouldn't want to see any TBD members Wonderlic score when they were 19 either

 

I would have been - something back in the late 70s.  Fun times 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 12/7/2021 at 7:23 AM, beacon said:

How can they keep him at MLB? We have seen it game after game. It's because they traded up to get him and don't want to admit what a terrible move it was. No instincts, gets screened off all the time, no impact plays. No way they can pay him top $$$$. 

 

Trade him for OL

[noacls]

22 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Showing your ignorance in fantastic fashion earns you style points. Glaring lack of understanding, not so much. 
I’ll type slowly so you may be able to comprehend. 
Applying

the 

5th 

year 

option

gives 

the 

team

one 

more 

season 

of

coaching

and 

growing

with

intent

to 

mold

this

rare

physical 

specimen

into 

a

HOF

game-changing

player.

If

unsuccessful,

he’s 

released

after 

next 

season

with 

no 

future

$$

obligations 

Speaking of ignorance and also arrigance....

[Chandler#81]

On 12/7/2021 at 5:08 PM, DCofNC said:

Ok, I’ll type like a normal human being so everyone else sees just how stupid you really are.  The 5th year option GUARANTEES you have to pay a player again. Which cost you $12.69MM next year, or you could slap either a transition tag on him, which as of 2021 was worth $12.7MM and gives you first right of refusal or you could put the franchise tag on him for $14.7MM.  So you committed $12.69MM of cap space for a career underachiever, to save next to nothing.  Now he has proved he’s not worth that and you are stuck, or you had the option to lock him down if he blew up with no risk, or work on a mid year contract for likely the same money if he was playing well.  So you took all the risk, for next to zero reward and now you are stuck.   
 

Ignorance is bliss, but only for the ignorant, the rest of us still can’t stand you.

Wow. I know you! - you’re Jethro Bodine, aren’t ya? Seems evident you only graduated “plum through the 6th Grade”..  1st, it isn’t your money, so quit yer damn crying. 2nd, his ‘22 salary is average for starting MLB’s. Should the Bills (no, son, not you..) decide by next season they can’t get all of what they need from him as our starter (read Buffalo Bills 4th year starting MLB, Pro Bowler and Defensive Captain), they’re under no further financial commitment 13 months from now. These, my prodigal son, are what the Bills wish to do with THEIR money and Their player in the real world. Hot-headed nincompoops screaming from the cheap seats aren’t invited to weigh in. Obviously, I didn’t type slow enough for this to sink in.. 3rd, you weren’t asked to vote for team captains and Pro Bowl nor decided who plays where and how often. NFL coaches, players and select voters do -thus rendering your witless ramblings.. well, witless -as befits a Jethro Bodine. 
I hope you’re able to follow this explanation. I don’t care to -ya know, type slow again..

[LABILLBACKER]

Would McD have the stones to play him outside next year. Maybe by some miracle he excels? He's already paid for.

[Chandler#81]

29 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Would McD have the stones to play him outside next year. Maybe by some miracle he excels? He's already paid for.

I have to think this has been discussed at OBD as much as here at TBD. But doing so takes away his greatest aspect -covering the middle of the field on short throws. It’s in every teams’ playbook for Hot reads. WRs, TEs & RBs are always circling in this area. A couple Patriot* receivers made a multiple SB career out of it.  Edmunds length is freakish enough that many QBs no longer even attempt this, but his best attribute is his speed to go along with his unique frame. Do we all wish he hit like Jack Lambert? Read plays like Willie Lanier and be ever in the right spot like Dick Butkus? Of course. But none of those guys faced today’s game. It’s a passing 1st game today and that area of the Defense has been easy pickin’s since the West Coast Offense first reared it’s head. Tremaine brings a dimension perfectly suited to defend against this. 

 

I think the onus is on us the fans to accept it and be grateful he can take away this prevalent aspect of today’s game.

 

Now, being better at recognizing run schemes and keeping himself from being fooled in another direction is still a noticeable challenge, but this can be learned. Speed and gigantic reach can’t.

[SMAKCruiser]

On 12/8/2021 at 7:21 AM, colin said:

 

 

oh dear, im afraid to look.  that bad?

0 out of 50.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I would trade him this off season. He has value to some moron GM that will think they can get him to play better and he is still young. 

They can probably get a low first rounder or high second round pick. Maybe a player and a second round pick.  

If they give him a long term deal this off-season they are really stupid. Picking up the option made sense. He has still not proven he is worthy of a long term deal. Make him play the last year of his deal if you can't or don't want to trade him.

[freddyjj]

46 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

The wonderlic is easy on purpose. They want the athlete to do well. Failing means you have trouble reading and comprehending at a basic level. It is not an IQ test but one can assume if you score very low on wonderlic, then IQ is exceptionally low. 
 

 

I am not sure what you wrote is clear to me 😎

[Ethan in Cleveland]

18 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I have to think this has been discussed at OBD as much as here at TBD. But doing so takes away his greatest aspect -covering the middle of the field on short throws. It’s in every teams’ playbook for Hot reads. WRs, TEs & RBs are always circling in this area. A couple Patriot* receivers made a multiple SB career out of it.  Edmunds length is freakish enough that many QBs no longer even attempt this, but his best attribute is his speed to go along with his unique frame. Do we all wish he hit like Jack Lambert? Read plays like Willie Lanier and be ever in the right spot like Dick Butkus? Of course. But none of those guys faced today’s game. It’s a passing 1st game today and that area of the Defense has been easy pickin’s since the West Coast Offense first reared it’s head. Tremaine brings a dimension perfectly suited to defend against this. 

 

I think the onus is on us the fans to accept it and be grateful he can take away this prevalent aspect of today’s game.

 

Now, being better at recognizing run schemes and keeping himself from being fooled in another direction is still a noticeable challenge, but this can be learned. Speed and gigantic reach can’t.

Let's for a moment assume he is as good at pass coverage in the middle of the field as you suggest. How did that help against NE, Tenn, and how do you think it would help if they play the Colts again?. Teams can adjust to what he does poorly. 

I have been a long time skeptic of Edmunds and got fooled once again with a few decent games this year. Once again last week he showed he is a truly awful LB. You can't pay him Bobby Wagner money and have him suck at half his job. If he wasn't a first round pick and Beane didn't want to look bad for trading up to get him, he'd be jettisoned this off season. 

As for picking up the option, I 100% agree it was the right move then. Have no issues with that decision.

 

As for moving to OLB I would love to see him play there a few games. With his speed I think he could be a terror rushing the passer. The argument against that is that he has not shown any pass rushing skill. But that is rushing from the middle which is wholey different than from the outside.

[Nextmanup]

18 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I would trade him this off season. He has value to some moron GM that will think they can get him to play better and he is still young. 

They can probably get a low first rounder or high second round pick. Maybe a player and a second round pick.  

If they give him a long term deal this off-season they are really stupid. Picking up the option made sense. He has still not proven he is worthy of a long term deal. Make him play the last year of his deal if you can't or don't want to trade him.

I think he'll be here next year in that last year.

 

I would like to believe Beane is shrewd enough not to offer him a new K, but I don't know.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

50 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I have to think this has been discussed at OBD as much as here at TBD. But doing so takes away his greatest aspect -covering the middle of the field on short throws. It’s in every teams’ playbook for Hot reads. WRs, TEs & RBs are always circling in this area. A couple Patriot* receivers made a multiple SB career out of it.  Edmunds length is freakish enough that many QBs no longer even attempt this, but his best attribute is his speed to go along with his unique frame. Do we all wish he hit like Jack Lambert? Read plays like Willie Lanier and be ever in the right spot like Dick Butkus? Of course. But none of those guys faced today’s game. It’s a passing 1st game today and that area of the Defense has been easy pickin’s since the West Coast Offense first reared it’s head. Tremaine brings a dimension perfectly suited to defend against this. 

 

I think the onus is on us the fans to accept it and be grateful he can take away this prevalent aspect of today’s game.

 

Now, being better at recognizing run schemes and keeping himself from being fooled in another direction is still a noticeable challenge, but this can be learned. Speed and gigantic reach can’t.

We'll see what kind of "contract dimension" he'll bring after next year is over. I doubt he gets resigned. There's gotta be multiple MLB's out there who can both pass cover and stop the run. 

27 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Let's for a moment assume he is as good at pass coverage in the middle of the field as you suggest. How did that help against NE, Tenn, and how do you think it would help if they play the Colts again?. Teams can adjust to what he does poorly. 

I have been a long time skeptic of Edmunds and got fooled once again with a few decent games this year. Once again last week he showed he is a truly awful LB. You can't pay him Bobby Wagner money and have him suck at half his job. If he wasn't a first round pick and Beane didn't want to look bad for trading up to get him, he'd be jettisoned this off season. 

As for picking up the option, I 100% agree it was the right move then. Have no issues with that decision.

 

As for moving to OLB I would love to see him play there a few games. With his speed I think he could be a terror rushing the passer. The argument against that is that he has not shown any pass rushing skill. But that is rushing from the middle which is wholey different than from the outside.

Thank you. I've been saying this for 2 years. In this so called passing league there sure are alot of afc teams who like to run right at Edmunds. And when that happens it's like we're playing with 10.

[Billl]

50 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I would trade him this off season. He has value to some moron GM that will think they can get him to play better and he is still young. 

They can probably get a low first rounder or high second round pick. Maybe a player and a second round pick.  

If they give him a long term deal this off-season they are really stupid. Picking up the option made sense. He has still not proven he is worthy of a long term deal. Make him play the last year of his deal if you can't or don't want to trade him.

You think someone is giving up a first round pick for the right to pay Edmunds $13,000,000?  Beane will be lucky if he can find anyone to take him without throwing in a pick as part of a salary dump.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 12/7/2021 at 8:47 AM, DeltaDigital said:

milano showed up and made plays. Edmunds... did not. *sad trombone*

like missing his assignment on that career long TD run for Harris… I sure noticed that play

[LABILLBACKER]

36 minutes ago, Billl said:

You think someone is giving up a first round pick for the right to pay Edmunds $13,000,000?  Beane will be lucky if he can find anyone to take him without throwing in a pick as part of a salary dump.

You're right. No one is touching him. The league is well aware of his flaws. The only short term solution would be stick 49 on the outside and let Klein be your MLB against run heavy teams. Scrub the nickel and go true 4-3. When you face opposition without a competent RB, go back to the 4-2-5. 

[BillMafia716ix]

Definitely would like to see what we could get for him in a trade. He can not play middle. Has poor instincts and he’s not physical enough at the point of attack. Only thing that’s been saving him is his age. That’s why I think the Bills don’t want to move on from him because they believe he’s still developing. He’s a good athlete but he’s not a middle LB.

[BarleyNY]

On 12/7/2021 at 2:56 PM, Nitro said:

Watched the play break down.  Oliver was in the guard/center gap.  He needs to take those two on.  Instead he engages the center.  The guard moves to the next level.  He pushed Edmunds to the left of the hash mark.  The back side guard is steam rolling Milano to the same area.  Hyde had to choose the far side where the run was going or the cut back.  He was too slow to react to that cut back.  If you look, the OT was blocking Wallace.  WR Harry had Epenessa pushed inside and the full back took out Dodson.  Breakdown starts when one does not execute.  Oliver takes the OG/C double team leaves Edmunds to fill the hole and Hyde to cover the outside.  Thanks to Brian Baldinder

Baldy did mention that linemen were not having to double and we’re getting to the linebackers, but he did not say that the run was Oliver’s fault.  He did not even mention Oliver by name.  He pointed out that every block the Patriots made was effective and that tee got “creased” - which we did.  It’s here if anyone wants to watch it.

[Governor]

2 hours ago, Billl said:

You think someone is giving up a first round pick for the right to pay Edmunds $13,000,000?  Beane will be lucky if he can find anyone to take him without throwing in a pick as part of a salary dump.

Agree. He’s can’t be traded at this point.