Poyer and Hyde snap at Jerry Sullivan

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

9 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

what’s funny is that if Bass made that FG, we probably win this game 16-14. 

There is nothing so comforting and familiar as finding the moral victory in a loss to the Patriots. 
 

Bills have been almost winning against them for 20 years…

[BillsFan692]

I think people wanting to blame the defense for the loss just dont want to put the blame where it really belongs: Allen and the offense choking over and over again 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, BillsFan692 said:

I think people wanting to blame the defense for the loss just dont want to put the blame where it really belongs: Allen and the offense choking over and over again 

I liked Allen for the most part this game. His playmakers didn't show up for him. I don't blame the defense. It was pretty much exactly how I expected the game to go on defense. We needed the offense to be better.

[BillsFan692]

Allen has had a rough season IMO worse then last year.

 

He used to feel clutch, winning most/all the close ones, always coming up with the play when we needed it. Being a "winner" in general.

 

 

Not so much this year. We almost never get the play we need this year and we have lost all the tight games

[pocoboy]

9 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

He's actually a very good writer.

 

I know he's utterly despised here, but this is a forum of kool aid drinking homers.

 

 

 

He's very likely a born and bred Patriots fan, from that area from what I've read. How Bills fans/media tolerate his meddling is a strange question. I guess they figure he asks the tough questions, but when you spend some of the 17 years getting off to good starts only to have one media guy stir up ***** constantly to unsettle the team...

Edited December 7, 2021 by pocoboy

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

I think people wanting to blame the defense for the loss just dont want to put the blame where it really belongs: Allen and the offense choking over and over again 

 

I think there's plenty of blame to go around. Trying to decide if the offense or defense deserves more blame is rather like picking between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. 

 

Sure, the defense gave up "only" 14 points, but in those weather conditions that's a lot. Comparable games would be Ravens playoff game and the Colts snow game. 14 points is the most scored by any offense in those 3 games.  

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

4 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

I think there's plenty of blame to go around. Trying to decide if the offense or defense deserves more blame is rather like picking between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. 

 

Sure, the defense gave up "only" 14 points, but in those weather conditions that's a lot. Comparable games would be Ravens playoff game and the Colts snow game. 14 points is the most scored by any offense in those 3 games.  

 

I know people don't like Sullivan, I don't either, but these guys didn't look good IMO. It's like taking the bait and retaliating. The fact of the matter is they gave up 4.8 YPC, 222 yards rushing and something like 10 chunk play 10+ yards. Their response goes to lack of accountability. You can't just throw out the long runs and say we did our job enough. Bad look.

[Pokebball]

16 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

I think there's plenty of blame to go around. Trying to decide if the offense or defense deserves more blame is rather like picking between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. 

 

Sure, the defense gave up "only" 14 points, but in those weather conditions that's a lot. Comparable games would be Ravens playoff game and the Colts snow game. 14 points is the most scored by any offense in those 3 games.  

 

Clearly the weather conditions significantly favored the running game.  Pats stopped our run game and we couldn't stop theirs. BB made the Bills throw the ball. He won the chess game.

 

The sad part in all of it is that we knew the Pats were going to run the ball.  They were going to continue to run the ball until we stopped it. We couldn't, for the most part.

 

As in most games this year, our offense had to rely way too much on Allen.  That makes things much easier to defend.  It's so extremely frustrating to not be able to pick up short yardage with the run. I chuckled two times last night when the announcers commented that we fooled the Pats by throwing the ball on a 3rd and 2.  No sir, we have to throw the ball in those situations.  We lose the LOS every single time!

[BillsFanSD]

34 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Allen has had a rough season IMO worse then last year.

 

He used to feel clutch, winning most/all the close ones, always coming up with the play when we needed it. Being a "winner" in general.

 

 

Not so much this year. We almost never get the play we need this year and we have lost all the tight games

Josh Allen is the only reason why we had a good opportunity to win this game.  Literally nobody else on the team stepped up at any point.  Except maybe Diggs who had one really nice sideline catch to make up for the perfectly-thrown TD pass that he dropped.

24 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I know people don't like Sullivan, I don't either, but these guys didn't look good IMO. It's like taking the bait and retaliating. The fact of the matter is they gave up 4.8 YPC, 222 yards rushing and something like 10 chunk play 10+ yards. Their response goes to lack of accountability. You can't just throw out the long runs and say we did our job enough. Bad look.

This.  Not a fan of Jerry Sullivan, but the defense deserves to be called out on their inability to stop the run.  Not that Poyer or Hyde are the main culprits here, but still.

[CodeMonkey]

10 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

The question could have been framed in a more professional way.  And I didn’t think they “snapped” at anyone.

It was Sully remember, so no it could not.

[BuffaloRebound]

If the question was asked today or tomorrow, I don’t have a problem with it.  15 minutes after a hard fought divisional game loss with everything on the line, that guy should be banned from the media room.  He was clearly trying to trigger Poyer and Hyde who were at an emotional low.  Guy is a low life.  

[SCBills]

SVP clowned them for reacting the way they did as well... rightfully so.  

 

I love Hyde and Poyer.. Poyer is absolutely an All-Pro, but when I look at this team right now, all I see is Kobe shaking his head and yelling the word "soft".  

[Matt_In_NH]

10 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

He's actually a very good writer.

 

I know he's utterly despised here, but this is a forum of kool aid drinking homers.

 

 

He's a total downer.......I am ok with "reality" but he is way overboard in a negative way, always has been.  Its like CNN or Foxnews...they talk about the same topics but slant them the way they want.  He is overly pessimistic.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, BillsFan692 said:

I think people wanting to blame the defense for the loss just dont want to put the blame where it really belongs: Allen and the offense choking over and over again 

You can’t find your way to blame both? 222 yards on 46 carries is acceptable with 3 pass attempts ? 
 

Both sides of the ball were embarrassed. 
 

its really frustrating that last season was just an asterisk like the Matt Cassell year and it’s back to pats owning AFCE. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Straight Hucklebuck]

If a team decided to run the ball 45 times in a game, what would a "good" defensive performance look like?

 

<120 yards and 7 points? 

 

I mean how much lower can the bar be for our offense? 

 

They got two amazing drive starts in the first half and botched that, and frittered away the last two drives as soon as they got into the Red Zone. 

[ColoradoBills]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

All that culture is leading to a lot of angry Bills players… 

 

LOL the Bills players should be angry.  Angry at themselves for not executing well enough to put close games away.

Culture has nothing to do with it.  These have been team losses.

[FilthyBeast]

Sullivan has a history of being harsh on this team but good for him for calling out this soft pathetic team for what they are and the reaction by Hyde/Poyer was very telling.

 

 

[zow2]

Even Skip and Shannon showed that exchange this morning and they are debating it.

[Saxum]

Why did Bills let Jerry Sullivan back in interview room?  They banned him before.

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And they controlled the clock against the wind in the 3rd quarter, causing us to lose our best opportunity to score with the wind.

 

We ran the ball when we had the wind, and had our best passing quarter in the 4th going into the wind. So this is meaningless. You're ranting on the defense and you missed the biggest issue: we FAILED to score when given opportunities.