McDermott Era Should End!

[HOUSE]

You guys would shoot Santa Claus  AFTER he delivers the goodies

[Governor]

It’s either clean house or watch Josh leave. I feel sick for Josh today. This team is horrible and he deserves a supporting cast on a better organization.

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

This team has a top 3 QB and is not going to make the playoffs. McDermott should be fired. Beane did nothing at the trade deadline to help this flawed team.

They won’t be fired but both should go. 

Beane definitely has to go. We can’t fire coaches and keep the guy who can’t find talent. No coach could win with this roster.

[AmishRifle]

The sentiment that we should fire the head ball coach is ridiculous.  
 

I think a strategic shift in our offensive system is required.    We have no clear offensive identity.  We can’t run the ball effectively and have no balance.  I think a Shanahan style offense needs to be installed.  Run to set up play action and bootleg.  

[Mango]

I think Beane is the bigger culprit here. We have spent 3 first and/or second round draft picks in two drafts on DE and they got worked around the edges today.

 

OL leaves a lot to be desired at a high price tag. 

[Seoulofstone]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Do you really believe McDermott is the coach to win a SuperBowl? He burned a challenge on a QB sneak that no one from either sideline could see the player or the ball. 
If it is 100% on the players, then is Beane culpable in this mess? Other teams made moves to get better at the trade deadline. Bills didn’t make a move with obvious issues at TE, DT, RB, and OG. 
This team was a SuperBowl pick. If they don’t make the playoffs then is anyone held accountable? Or do you just give McD another year? How many years ? First I thought McDermott was Dungy with Tampa. Now I’m thinking he is at best Marty Schottenheimer.  

 

 McD has led the Bills to 3 playoffs in 4 years, A team that hadn't made the playoffs for 17 years. Every year he produces a top 10 defence despite a lack of elite individuals. They along with the patriots have a superior pass defence that many teams would kill for. McD has now beaten every team in the AFC except the Browns. In the NFC every team except the Panthers, Eagles and Cardinals.

 

  He and Beane have fixed a bad cap situation brought young players into the team and haven't sold their soul for a better chance at the superbowl like the Rams. Something that will likely hurt their roster for years to come. But he makes a bad challenge and you want to replace him without any suggested alternative plan? 

 

 We lost a tight game to an in-form division rival in atrocious weather conditions which favoured their ultra-conservative style. That is all.

[Seoulofstone]

11 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

He is the head coach and it all falls on him. That's his staff under performing. That's his rotating defensive line getting pushed around and eat a big chunk of the salary cap. That's his team unprepared and undisciplined. That's how being the boss works, he isn't a coordinator anymore. Also, did you forget the Colts?

 

 He will take responisibility. He always does for losses. But it cuts both ways. If you want to crucify him for every loss then does he deserve ALL the credit for every win? When the Bills win you don't see him talking himself up. He praises the players. That is good leadership.

 

 The D-line is overpaid for its output but it IS an intergral part of an elite overall unit across the NFL. I mean they aren't bottom third of the league here. Did you forget that Star and Tremaine didn't play in that Colts game?

 

 You're scapegoating and missing how this team has been transformed almost miraculously during the McD era. Because you're upset about one narrow loss.

[Governor]

19 minutes ago, Mango said:

I think Beane is the bigger culprit here. We have spent 3 first and/or second round draft picks in two drafts on DE and they got worked around the edges today.

 

OL leaves a lot to be desired at a high price tag. 

Yup. He’s had enough time. He totally whiffed on 2 RB’s and numerous others. It’s time to reboot right now. As a longtime fan, the way this team is built is torturous to watch. They’re like Polian’s Colts who were also soft and worthless until Dungy came and slightly improved the defense, and squeaked out a SB win against a bad team. That’s not who we should be emulating.

 

Tampa is going to mutilate this team and then we’ll see people getting fired.

 

The Tremaine Edmunds experiment is over and yielded atrocious results.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Governor

[Mango]

18 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

 McD has led the Bills to 3 playoffs in 4 years, A team that hadn't made the playoffs for 17 years. Every year he produces a top 10 defence despite a lack of elite individuals. They along with the patriots have a superior pass defence that many teams would kill for. McD has now beaten every team in the AFC except the Browns. In the NFC every team except the Panthers, Eagles and Cardinals.

 

  He and Beane have fixed a bad cap situation brought young players into the team and haven't sold their soul for a better chance at the superbowl like the Rams. Something that will likely hurt their roster for years to come. But he makes a bad challenge and you want to replace him without any suggested alternative plan? 

 

 We lost a tight game to an in-form division rival in atrocious weather conditions which favoured their ultra-conservative style. That is all.

What if I told you that the Bills OL and DE were among the highest paid in the entire NFL despite the fact that the DL has gotten 5 top 100 picks since Beanes arrival?

 

Then on top of all of that, the Bills are projected to only have $9 in cap space in 2022 (per spotrac).

 

Our cap situation and production on money spent is really bad at the moment and should be a major worry for every fan. 

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Mango

[Trogdor]

6 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

 He will take responisibility. He always does for losses. But it cuts both ways. If you want to crucify him for every loss then does he deserve ALL the credit for every win? When the Bills win you don't see him talking himself up. He praises the players. That is good leadership.

 

 The D-line is overpaid for its output but it IS an intergral part of an elite overall unit across the NFL. I mean they aren't bottom third of the league here. Did you forget that Star and Tremaine didn't play in that Colts game?

 

 You're scapegoating and missing how this team has been transformed almost miraculously during the McD era. Because you're upset about one narrow loss.

He doesn't take responsibility though. It's always we didn't perform and not that he didn't get then ready or have a good plan. When has he ever admitted that they don't even try to adjust? They aren't transformed, we had one great year, and it shows now. The first playoff year they performed as well as a few drought years and then an awful one after. Now we're back to a middle of the road team. Sustained success would be transformed, and clearly they aren't there yet. 

[Seoulofstone]

25 minutes ago, Mango said:

What if I told you that the Bills OL and DE were among the highest paid in the entire NFL despite the fact that the DL has gotten 6 top 100 picks since Beanes arrival?

 

Then on top of all of that, the Bills are projected to only have $9 in cap space in 2022 (per spotrac).

 

Our cap situation and production on money spent is really bad at the moment and should be a major worry for every fan. 

 

 

 

 

  You're talking i suppose about individual production? Because the defence and Offense are both top 10 units. Every team in the NFL that has a franchise QB (and some that don't) are tight to the cap especially after the freeze. I can agree that players like Trent Murphy and Vernon Butler have been hugely overpaid. So yes, loyalty and over investment in players who have let them down has happened.

 

But again collectively the units are successful So perhaps the decision making deserves the benfit of the doubt?

 

 Meanwhile for the first time in a long time the Bills are holding on to their successful draft picks. Extending them. Fazing out older players. This is good roster management. Its not flashy (do we want to be like the Rams?) but teams like the Ravens have been doing it like this for years.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Seoulofstone

[Governor]

7 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

Mark my words: this team will NEVER win a superbowl with McDermott as the coach. 

 

You can keep him and be a playoff team, or you can try to find the guy that has the coaching mind to truly match up against the top coaches you face and must defeat to get the trophy.

 

I know what I would do. Unfortunately, I think management will stay staus quo.

 

 

Frazier totally sucks too. There’s a reason why no teams wanted to hire him. He never gets it done when it matters.

[MarkyMannn]

I am ALL IN on firing McD today! Then Kim & Terry can hire someone good like they always do😲

[Seoulofstone]

19 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

He doesn't take responsibility though. It's always we didn't perform and not that he didn't get then ready or have a good plan. When has he ever admitted that they don't even try to adjust? They aren't transformed, we had one great year, and it shows now. The first playoff year they performed as well as a few drought years and then an awful one after. Now we're back to a middle of the road team. Sustained success would be transformed, and clearly they aren't there yet. 

 

   Oh you were expecting them to be in the playoffs the year that they cleared the cap and were expected to finish with the #1 overall pick? Nice to see you have reasonable expectations. I hope you are ashamed of yourself when they make the playoffs. 

 

  To say that they aren't transformed since McD came  is insane. They have a franchise QB. Top 10 Offense and Defence. This year when they get to the playoffs it will be 4 of 5 years after a 17 year wait. Absolutely nothing transformative there.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Seoulofstone
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[hondo in seattle]

8 hours ago, Wizard said:

There was absolutely no reason that the Bills should have lost this game! For this reason, the Pegula’s need to clean out some of the coaching leadership.

 

The odds of screwing up so many times in a row in a game is probably a million to one. That comes down to poor coaching and players not executing. When players screw up and coaches can not adjust, then this means that McDermott’s coaching ceiling has already been reached. He and his staff are average despite the team’s history

 

Great Coach gets 10-14 points in the situation below.  Good coach gets 6 to 7 points. Replaceable coach gets 0-3 points. 

 

2x’s in the last 6 minutes the Patriots gift wrapped two very doable red zone touchdown opportunities. And, Allen gets sacked, an idiot TE false start, a missed field goal, and passing the ball when running could have led to more manageable play calling rather than 3rd and long and 4th and 14 situations.

 

No adjustments…means no Confidence!

The team lost at home with the best fans, better receivers, and quarterback, unbelievable opportunities to win, and the defense knowing in advance that 95% of the team’s plays would be runs. Mac Jones may have set a record in the last 40 years with 19 pass yards! In other words, our defensive line knew what was coming and the Hoodie decided to be completely one dimensional knowing the Bills could do nothing about it!!!

 

Winning Culture

Yes, there was wind and stats were not going to be as big tonight. The Bills had every reason to win and own the division. It was blanking Monday Night Football. The team had this game circled all season. No amount of clapping, rah rah, or “process” makes up for fumbling the game away.
 

Bad coaching, players aren’t executing, and we can’t build our offense or defense with underwhelming line play, time management issues, and not getting the ball from a 30 million dollar QB not getting the ball to Diggs or a line not capable of digging in and getting 10 yards on the ground with some old-fashion tough running.

 

Ceiling has been reached..new voices

A weaker AFC, Derrick Henry going down, the Chiefs inconsistencies and Ravens, and the inability to beat playoff caliber teams, execute at key times, and the lack of consistency on the lines means this is McDermott’s ceiling.

 

Time for Bills to make big changes!

 

 

 

 

 

McDermott lost 14-10 against a HOF coach with a strong squad in a game where the weather strongly favored the opponent.  

 

Yep.  Seems like grounds for instant termination.  

 

And I'm sure if the Bills had scored a TD on that last drive to win the game, Kraft would have fired Belichick.  

[zevo]

McD is a stable coach...nothing more nothing less. He makes terrible in game decisions...the challenge and the other wasted timeout was unacceptable.

 

[Greg S]

Neither he or Beane are getting fired. Three playoff appearances in 4 years. 7-5 this year in the playoff mix. I get the frustration but even if they miss they will get another shot at it next season. If things don't go well in 2022 then maybe changes could come.

[Billsatlastin2018]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

You guys would shoot Santa Claus  AFTER he delivers the goodies

Let us know when ANY Bills HC has ever delivered!

 

Bring us up to speed here!

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

You guys would shoot Santa Claus  AFTER he delivers the goodies

We do not want to be Philly. Stop this crap.

[LabattBlue]

Maybe it takes more than being a supposed “motivator/leader of men” in order to be a great NFL HC.  
 

Exhibit A…not knowing you are NEVER going to win a spot challenge on a QB sneak into a mass of humanity. 

[DCofNC]

I’ve said it time and time again, they have Marv 2.0 in McClappy.  That’s Marv Lewis, we are in for a decade of wasted players if we keep him.