McDermott Era Should End!

[nedboy7]

Seems to me the McD era is just beginning.  And I love it 

[Reks Ryan]

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

No, it doesn’t necessarily. 
 

Lets say for instance we have the ball on the opposing team’s 15, down 2, 3 seconds to go. No injuries to Bass or anything. For no real logical reason McD decides to go for it instead of kicking the field goal, and we get the touchdown. I don’t think that makes it the right call, it’s not what I’d want to see called going forward in that same situation just because it worked. 
 

Similarly, if one of McD’s attempts to go for it on 4th yesterday didn’t work out, I wouldn’t all of a sudden say it was the wrong call. You can make the right decision for your team and have it not work out, and you can make the wrong one and have it work out. 
 

But if you make the right ones consistently, you’ll probably have more success overall long-term. 

That’s a ridiculous example. No NFL coach would do that. 
 

It’s like if your down 6 with 7 seconds left in the game, 4th and 10

at opponents 45 yd line. Instead of throwing a Hail Mary you could punt and get a fumble return for a TD.  That’s the same level ridiculous example

[BobbyC81]

1 hour ago, cgg716 said:

Spoiler, a test grade doesn’t indicate how much you learned but that’s another matter lol

Exactly!  I was good at memorizing things for tests.  Depending on the subject, after the test most of it was gone.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The fact he wrote an essay. 😂

[HomeskillitMoorman]

23 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

 

ok, so I am curious of a few things.

 

One, how do you feel about Staley as a HC?  he is quite aggressive in his decisions with a trending up QB..  But yet is 8-7 and on the verge of not making the playoffs again.

 

two, who do you recommend to become the Bills HC if McDermott was fired today?  You? since you seem to have all the answers on how a HC should make decisions. (im poking fun)  If not you then who?  Because I am pretty sure all top flight HC's already have a job and yes I include our own as top flight.  

 

I haven't watched a ton of the Chargers, I know he's been "aggressive" with some of his calls, but some of that is honestly just how the league has trended. I feel like McD was behind on it but I think you'll even see him start to go with those decisions more and more. I don't really even see those calls to go for it on the 4th and shorts yesterday being outwardly aggressive, it's just smart. We have a top QB, give him the extra play to give us the opportunity to put up 7, especially close to the end zone where the other team has to start inside their own 5 if we don't get it anyway. 

 

As far as your other question...I've said even multiple times in this thread that I don't expect at all for the Bills to fire him or anything so I haven't done some kind of full assessment on who's available. I also don't get to be in the interview room to ask what I personally would want to, so there's that too. The only chance I thought there would be for a change was if we didn't make the playoffs this season and if we didn't meet expectations next season as well, so there would have been a long time before we looked at the pool on who's available. But I'd rather us win and not end up there, even if that means we continue with him. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

19 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said:

That’s a ridiculous example. No NFL coach would do that. 
 

It’s like if your down 6 with 7 seconds left in the game, 4th and 10

at opponents 45 yd line. Instead of throwing a Hail Mary you could punt and get a fumble return for a TD.  That’s the same level ridiculous example

 

Yes I know it's ridiculous, that's why I used it. I was just putting down something a coach would never do to illustrate that the outcome doesn't necessarily equate to a call being the right or wrong one. And yes, yours was the same level. 

 

Maybe this is a better way to put it...if that last 4th and short run with Josh didn't work out yesterday...would you not want us to roll with him in a similar situation this upcoming Sunday just because it didn't work there? Would that have made it the wrong decision? I don't think so. I would still want to put the ball in the hands of #17 with the game on the line either way, to me that's our best shot at winning games like that over the long haul. 

[CaliBills]

1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I haven't watched a ton of the Chargers, I know he's been "aggressive" with some of his calls, but some of that is honestly just how the league has trended. I feel like McD was behind on it but I think you'll even see him start to go with those decisions more and more. I don't really even see those calls to go for it on the 4th and shorts yesterday being outwardly aggressive, it's just smart. We have a top QB, give him the extra play to give us the opportunity to put up 7, especially close to the end zone where the other team has to start inside their own 5 if we don't get it anyway. 

 

As far as your other question...I've said even multiple times in this thread that I don't expect at all for the Bills to fire him or anything so I haven't done some kind of full assessment on who's available. I also don't get to be in the interview room to ask what I personally would want to, so there's that too. The only chance I thought there would be for a change was if we didn't make the playoffs this season and if we didn't meet expectations next season as well, so there would have been a long time before we looked at the pool on who's available. But I'd rather us win and not end up there, even if that means we continue with him. 

I was asking what if...  So basically you are just saying you think McD is not a top flight head coach and  after 4.7 years of being an NFL HC based on your Armchair Head Coaching ability he should be let go if he doesn't immediately win multiple super bowls...  It is just so interesting to me you want better after YEARS of garbage Head Coaches.  We finally have one that is good but god forbid he makes a decision that goes against an Armchair Coach...  

 

Anyways, hopefully the Bills select the perfect Head Coach for you next go around.  While I will just sit and watch and enjoy a winning football team and have so the last 5 years.  

Edited December 28, 2021 by CaliBills

[Buffalo03]

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The fact he wrote an essay. 😂

Why do people make big deals about this? I've heard this numerous times. Why is it a requirement to make a point in a sentence or two? If I try to explain what I mean in good detail, people have always said "the fact you had to put a whole paragraph or whole page means you have no point to be made or you don't know what you're talking about" what does that have to do with anything? It doesn't make sense. And just seems like a lazy reader if you ask me

Edited December 28, 2021 by Buffalo03

[Einstein's Dog]

12 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

The only chance I thought there would be for a change was if we didn't make the playoffs this season and if we didn't meet expectations next season as well, so there would have been a long time before we looked at the pool on who's available. But I'd rather us win and not end up there, even if that means we continue with him. 

Can he ever change your mind?  What is it you want out of him, what do you want him to change?

 

I ask because I was skeptical of McD when hired.  Thought he might be a rah-rah, defensive minded, run the ball type.  The backing into the playoffs didn't really change my mind (even though that was quite an accomplishment in my mind - and I do consider results in my grading).

When we got Diggs I didn't take him in fantasy.  Good receiver going to a run oriented team, I thought.  McD and company changed the whole offensive philosophy.  Now he has taken an incredibly aggressive approach - which you and many have been calling for.

 

McD has won me over.   Changed to an offensive philosophy adapts to players/team stregths, brought in a culture.  I see a bright future. 

What do you need/want out of him, if not results, that will have you consider him a good/great coach?

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I would personally disagree that he's a top coach though.

 

You are entitled to your opinion. I don't have the slightest doubt that you are wrong though. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

6 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Can he ever change your mind?  What is it you want out of him, what do you want him to change?

 

I ask because I was skeptical of McD when hired.  Thought he might be a rah-rah, defensive minded, run the ball type.  The backing into the playoffs didn't really change my mind (even though that was quite an accomplishment in my mind - and I do consider results in my grading).

When we got Diggs I didn't take him in fantasy.  Good receiver going to a run oriented team, I thought.  McD and company changed the whole offensive philosophy.  Now he has taken an incredibly aggressive approach - which you and many have been calling for.

 

McD has won me over.   Changed to an offensive philosophy adapts to players/team stregths, brought in a culture.  I see a bright future. 

What do you need/want out of him, if not results, that will have you consider him a good/great coach?

 

Oh for sure he could change my mind. Obviously not that it would change anything outside of that, I'm just a dude posting on a message board. 

 

I think McD's evolution has been slower when it comes to making those "aggressive" decisions, I'm not sure I even like calling it that because I don't really think the way he managed the game yesterday was necessarily aggressive, it was just the right thing to do. That's just how our games should be managed, it aligns with the team and QB that we have. It's playing to our strengths and I don't think he's always done that here. 

 

Where things have gone wrong for me when it comes to him is the part above and his in-game management, obviously well documented around here with things like challenges, timeouts, clock management. We saw it on the biggest of stages last year in the AFC Championship game where he really coached scared. We're still seeing things mis-managed like in the first Pats game where I thought the coaches lost the game for us. Even yesterday we saw a horrible timeout used in the 2nd half after he did the same thing in the first game, fortunately it just didn't come down to mattering yesterday. I'm not sure why these things are still issues in year 5. He's not a "new" coach anymore, not even close. 

 

I don't think he's a bad guy or anything. The only time I really had an issue with him was when he made a couple of comments about our offensive playcalling in the first Pats game. He's the head coach. He's in the conversation when those plays are called, he has the power to change things. I didn't really like the evading of accountability there when he preaches accountability consistently. It doesn't matter if he's a defensive guy, as a head coach he's supposed to be overseeing the entire game.

 

But all in all I mostly don't want for a coach to play a big part in losing a game for us and he scares me on that end sometimes. Hopefully the rest of the way he'll keep

putting the game in the hands of #17 when it matters most. We don't have a lockdown defense, banking on our best player on those 4ths instead of kicking the FG and leaving it up to our D is 100% the right thing to do with this group and what we should see the rest of the season. I'll hold out hope for better game management in terms of timeouts and challenges but I'm not as optimistic there. 

[JGMcD2]

20 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Oh for sure he could change my mind. Obviously not that it would change anything outside of that, I'm just a dude posting on a message board. 

 

I think McD's evolution has been slower when it comes to making those "aggressive" decisions, I'm not sure I even like calling it that because I don't really think the way he managed the game yesterday was necessarily aggressive, it was just the right thing to do. That's just how our games should be managed, it aligns with the team and QB that we have. It's playing to our strengths and I don't think he's always done that here. 

 

Where things have gone wrong for me when it comes to him is the part above and his in-game management, obviously well documented around here with things like challenges, timeouts, clock management. We saw it on the biggest of stages last year in the AFC Championship game where he really coached scared. We're still seeing things mis-managed like in the first Pats game where I thought the coaches lost the game for us. Even yesterday we saw a horrible timeout used in the 2nd half after he did the same thing in the first game, fortunately it just didn't come down to mattering yesterday. I'm not sure why these things are still issues in year 5. He's not a "new" coach anymore, not even close. 

 

I don't think he's a bad guy or anything. The only time I really had an issue with him was when he made a couple of comments about our offensive playcalling in the first Pats game. He's the head coach. He's in the conversation when those plays are called, he has the power to change things. I didn't really like the evading of accountability there when he preaches accountability consistently. It doesn't matter if he's a defensive guy, as a head coach he's supposed to be overseeing the entire game.

 

But all in all I mostly don't want for a coach to play a big part in losing a game for us and he scares me on that end sometimes. Hopefully the rest of the way he'll keep

putting the game in the hands of #17 when it matters most. We don't have a lockdown defense, banking on our best player on those 4ths instead of kicking the FG and leaving it up to our D is 100% the right thing to do with this group and what we should see the rest of the season. I'll hold out hope for better game management in terms of timeouts and challenges but I'm not as optimistic there. 

Okay… so you’re just going off a few instances in your head that you’ve singled out because you dislike McDermott’s coaching style. 
 

But when you look at the entire portfolio… it’s just not the case…

 

https://edjsports.com/posts/bf60603b-8b6b-4ec9-a673-4e749689e702

Edited December 28, 2021 by JGMcD2

[Batman1876]

This thread is insanity. He has made the playoffs 3/4 years soon to be 4/5. That alone is reason to keep him. But lets look at it a different way. Since he took over the team the Bills are 10th in terms of most wins, and as he has had time to develop his team and work with Beane they have gotten better 

8th most wins over the past 4 years

4th most wins over the past 3 years

Tied for 3rd over the last 2 years

Sure we took a step back this year with our record, losing 1 score games but that is hardly a reason to fire a guy. We wouldn't find a coach with that kind of recent success on the market, so we'd be hoping that some untested 1st time coach could do even better than a guy who has turned the Bills from a joke to a year in and year out contender. 

[Nextmanup]

28 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

This thread is insanity. He has made the playoffs 3/4 years soon to be 4/5. That alone is reason to keep him. But lets look at it a different way. Since he took over the team the Bills are 10th in terms of most wins, and as he has had time to develop his team and work with Beane they have gotten better 

8th most wins over the past 4 years

4th most wins over the past 3 years

Tied for 3rd over the last 2 years

Sure we took a step back this year with our record, losing 1 score games but that is hardly a reason to fire a guy. We wouldn't find a coach with that kind of recent success on the market, so we'd be hoping that some untested 1st time coach could do even better than a guy who has turned the Bills from a joke to a year in and year out contender. 

You're reading the thread in the context of the Bills having won their biggest game in several years, and with it looking like we are an easy AFC East winner this year.

 

The doom and gloom was written a few weeks ago when things looked much darker.

 

This board tends to overreact and base its opinion exclusively on what happened in the last 10 minutes.

 

 

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I ask because I was skeptical of McD when hired.  Thought he might be a rah-rah, defensive minded, run the ball type.  The backing into the playoffs didn't really change my mind (even though that was quite an accomplishment in my mind - and I do consider results in my grading).

When we got Diggs I didn't take him in fantasy.  Good receiver going to a run oriented team, I thought.  McD and company changed the whole offensive philosophy.  Now he has taken an incredibly aggressive approach - which you and many have been calling for.

 

First off I'm going to dispute the term "back in". If we didn't make the playoffs on 2017 who should have?  One of the teams with a worse record or one in worse tie breaker shape?  We were the 6th best team in the AFC that year.

 

The rest of it I'm totally on board with. 2017 and 2019-?? Show me Coach McDermott is a really good coach. In 2017we didn't have a great passing QB.  But we did have a really good run blocking line and LeSean McCoy and a QB that was good at running.  He didn't try to shoe horn a fancy passing offense that was sure to fail.  Instead played to his strengths.  Smart. Now we have the QB and good WRs so the pass game is on and its really good.

 

 There are several coaches in the Hall that coached longer than 5 years before winning their first SB like Tom Landry and Bill Cowher.

 

Patience is a virtue.  

 

I know, many want a Super Bowl and they want it NOW!  I want a Super Bowl too and think we have the right coach to do it.

[section122]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You are entitled to your opinion. I don't have the slightest doubt that you are wrong though. 

 

I agree wholeheartedly with you.  The best way to judge for me is how quickly would a coach get hired if he were to hit the open market.  McD would get a job immediately and I think some teams would be happy to fire their coach just for a chance to hire him.

 

Short term memory from OP but Buffalo was NFL siberia before he arrived.  Chan Gailey had to become HC because nobody else would take the job at one point.  The Marrone situation played out horribly followed by the Rex clown show.  Pegula's got incredibly lucky hiring McD, and we as fans are lucky to have him steering the ship.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Why do people make big deals about this? I've heard this numerous times. Why is it a requirement to make a point in a sentence or two? If I try to explain what I mean in good detail, people have always said "the fact you had to put a whole paragraph or whole page means you have no point to be made or you don't know what you're talking about" what does that have to do with anything? It doesn't make sense. And just seems like a lazy reader if you ask me

It's an essay about why we should replace Sean McDermott. That's what makes it bad.

[Chandler#81]

On 12/7/2021 at 12:09 AM, Wizard said:

There was absolutely no reason that the Bills should have lost this game! For this reason, the Pegula’s need to clean out some of the coaching leadership.

 

The odds of screwing up so many times in a row in a game is probably a million to one. That comes down to poor coaching and players not executing. When players screw up and coaches can not adjust, then this means that McDermott’s coaching ceiling has already been reached. He and his staff are average despite the team’s history

 

Great Coach gets 10-14 points in the situation below.  Good coach gets 6 to 7 points. Replaceable coach gets 0-3 points. 

 

2x’s in the last 6 minutes the Patriots gift wrapped two very doable red zone touchdown opportunities. And, Allen gets sacked, an idiot TE false start, a missed field goal, and passing the ball when running could have led to more manageable play calling rather than 3rd and long and 4th and 14 situations.

 

No adjustments…means no Confidence!

The team lost at home with the best fans, better receivers, and quarterback, unbelievable opportunities to win, and the defense knowing in advance that 95% of the team’s plays would be runs. Mac Jones may have set a record in the last 40 years with 19 pass yards! In other words, our defensive line knew what was coming and the Hoodie decided to be completely one dimensional knowing the Bills could do nothing about it!!!

 

Winning Culture

Yes, there was wind and stats were not going to be as big tonight. The Bills had every reason to win and own the division. It was blanking Monday Night Football. The team had this game circled all season. No amount of clapping, rah rah, or “process” makes up for fumbling the game away.
 

Bad coaching, players aren’t executing, and we can’t build our offense or defense with underwhelming line play, time management issues, and not getting the ball from a 30 million dollar QB not getting the ball to Diggs or a line not capable of digging in and getting 10 yards on the ground with some old-fashion tough running.

 

Ceiling has been reached..new voices

A weaker AFC, Derrick Henry going down, the Chiefs inconsistencies and Ravens, and the inability to beat playoff caliber teams, execute at key times, and the lack of consistency on the lines means this is McDermott’s ceiling.

 

Time for Bills to make big changes!

 

 

 

 

You. sir, are invited -no, encouraged.. -no, Not allowed to start a thread again, Ever. You aren’t even clever enough to be a troll.

Turn in your fingertips.

[Heitz]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

This board tends to overreact and base its opinion exclusively on what happened in the last 10 minutes.

This is just NOT true.  That said, we haven’t won yet today, so I agree that McD probably has to go… 🤣

[ToGoGo]

I think it's just fans who don't understand what a head coach does besides make challenges and call timeouts during a game. They don't comprehend leadership and running a tight ship. The type of people who would say "Napoleon doesn't do anything but sit on his horse and point, it's the infantry man who are the real leaders!" 

 

The poster above "Einstein's Dog" put it succinctly. He was skeptical and McDermott won him over. But he was skeptical for LOGICAL reasons, whereas other posters seem to be skeptical for EMOTIONAL reasons. They just want blood.