McDermott Era Should End!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Greg S said:

 

He has also been a HC for around 20 years or so with the Eagles and Chiefs. He also had a lot of years where he couldn't get over the hump. This is only year 5 for McDermott.

 

I'm not asking for McDermott to be fired. I'm asking for daboll and maybe frazier to go.

 

[Greg S]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm not asking for McDermott to be fired. I'm asking for daboll and maybe frazier to go.

 

 

That's possible. Depends on how the season ends. Who knows if either of them get interviews for potential HC jobs. 

[MrSarcasm]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Apologies, no.

 

Been to two, won one. My mistake.

 

Point still stands, though. Daboll doesn't have nearly the track record to be afforded leeway.

 

So Reid has 1 Super Bowl win in 20+ seasons and he gets a pass, but Daboll has won 0 in 3 full years as offensive coordinator and should be canned. Ok.

 

Hasn't Dabol technically won like 5 Super Bowls?

 

Edited December 16, 2021 by MrSarcasm

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, MrSarcasm said:

Hasn't Dabol technically won like 5 Super Bowls?

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

47 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

What?!  The 'loonies' remark? 👇

 

1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:

A bunch of loonies on this board.

 

[Billsfan1972]

46 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Yes I am.

 

Do you expect every coach/coordinator to be perfect or high performing EVERY game?

 

KC has struggled on offense this year so by your own standards Andy Reid should be fired. Again this board is full of loonies.

I'm looking at your screen name and hope the post reflects it......

 

Daboll is okay.  Again he has not done well this year and particulalrly bad inside the 10 yard line.

 

If he was responsible for those 3 calls in OT, then again there are issues.

[MrSarcasm]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I'm looking at your screen name and hope the post reflects it......

 

Daboll is okay.  Again he has not done well this year and particulalrly bad inside the 10 yard line.

 

If he was responsible for those 3 calls in OT, then again there are issues.

Seriously, 3 calls. View the forrest not the trees.

 

By the way Nathaniel Hacket is rumored to be a hot coaching candidate this year, maybe you would prefer we hire him back?

 

The grass isn't always greener.

[Billsfan1972]

8 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Seriously, 3 calls. View the forrest not the trees.

 

By the way Nathaniel Hacket is rumored to be a hot coaching candidate this year, maybe you would prefer we hire him back?

 

The grass isn't always greener.

I was just again pointing out the general issues and those three calls are indicative of deeper issues. 

 

OT, the Bills have the ball and can't afford top give it to Brady.  So what are the calls?????  A run and two short passes.  Just pathetic.....  

 

 

[colin]

i suspected it before, but alphadawg convinced me, mcd went riot act last week at half time and woke dabol up, and basically took over the D (he's taken over the d before).  the data shows us frazier is a solid DC, but McD is simply a better one, so when he steps in on the D, it gets better results.  i think he may have to take a page out of billicheat's book and always have a hand as being a shadow DC or whatever you want to call it, not saying he is as good, but mcd simply has a feel and understanding of D that most don't.

 

the bigger issue coaching wise is on O, obviously.  I think Dabol struck gold w allen and digs and co, and that alone is the polish on his turd CV as an OC.  in 2019 allen had like 3rd in the nfl total TDs, and our O was basically putrid statistically (remember the no 300 yard game threads?!?!?), and that was with dialing up some horrible stinkers early (remember that NE game, which we still had a shot of winning!!).  if you look at dabol throughout his career as an NFL OC, he's been nearly the worst every time, with the exception of 2020 and 2021.  given we have a WR who came in having been a top guy, and our QB was good enough to get the biggest guarantee in NFL history, i think our shortcomings are clearly more on coaching than players.  our OL stucks, but they have gotten worse while adding more talent, and the inconsistency is a pretty strong indicator of coaching issues (it's not just play calling, it's also preparation week to week and through out the season).

 

in short, keep mcD (that might change if we really capsize and miss playoffs), shoot the O coaches out of a cannon, and consider changes on D.

[Greg S]

19 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I was just again pointing out the general issues and those three calls are indicative of deeper issues. 

 

OT, the Bills have the ball and can't afford top give it to Brady.  So what are the calls?????  A run and two short passes.  Just pathetic.....  

 

 

 

Would you have gone for it on 4th down when it was 27-24? It would have been a gutsy call but looking back on it I might have done it just to avoid any chance Brady gets the ball in OT. The Bills got the ball first so they had their chance to win but once they went 3 and out I knew it wasn't going to end well. As for the 4th down I would have had Allen roll out with the option to run or pass. It would have taken a lot of guts to go for it on 4th down in that spot.

[MrSarcasm]

22 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I was just again pointing out the general issues and those three calls are indicative of deeper issues. 

 

OT, the Bills have the ball and can't afford top give it to Brady.  So what are the calls?????  A run and two short passes.  Just pathetic.....  

 

 

I don't disagree with you there but again in the big picture of things- I like Daboll - I like most of Dabolls play calling-

 

I feel anyone we bring in to replace him won't be as good or at the very least will take 2-3 seasons to be marginally better and at that point it just would be a dumb move.

 

Before people go sounding off for a guy to be fired, maybe they should have an idea of who would be a good replacement.

[Nihilarian]

18 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

I don't disagree with you there but again in the big picture of things- I like Daboll - I like most of Dabolls play calling-

 

I feel anyone we bring in to replace him won't be as good or at the very least will take 2-3 seasons to be marginally better and at that point it just would be a dumb move.

 

Before people go sounding off for a guy to be fired, maybe they should have an idea of who would be a good replacement.

What do you like about it? The fact that the team can go pass happy on crappy teams with no pass rush, Jets, Miami...

 

This Bills offense scored ONLY 6 points against a horrid 1-6 Jaguars team that was fielding the 30th ranked  defense at that time! Beaten 10-6...

 

That loss should stick in Bills history forever as they could be 8-5 right now!

 

Think about how many games this team could have won with a decent running attack. Not to mention settling for field goals?

 

Steelers loss 16-23...3 field goals, 18 points lost

 

Titans loss 31-34...3 field goals, 18 points lost

 

Jaguars loss 6-10...2 field goals, 11 points lost

 

Patriots loss 10-14...2 field goals, one missed. 11 points lost

 

Buccaneers loss 27-33, 2 field goals 11 points lost. That last field goal with 25 seconds left in the fourth quarter would have probably won the game right there if it were a TD.

 

The Bills are currently 18th in red zone TD percentage @ 58.93 % and that is up from the last few games where they were 46.5%. That last percentage put them last on the NFL for awhile. 

 

But, But the Buffalo Bills can't run the ball...BS!

 

Devin Singletary in that Bucs game went 4 for 52 for 3 first downs for a 13.0 YPC AVG. Now, we all saw what that rushing did in taking advantage of the Bucs pass rush... and ran right past where the rusher was coming from!!

 

45 minutes ago, colin said:

i suspected it before, but alphadawg convinced me, mcd went riot act last week at half time and woke dabol up

The O line is good enough...the RB's are good enough! Where has that been all season...its the scheme that has been bad and that's on the Bills OC!!

[mannc]

58 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Would you have gone for it on 4th down when it was 27-24? It would have been a gutsy call but looking back on it I might have done it just to avoid any chance Brady gets the ball in OT. The Bills got the ball first so they had their chance to win but once they went 3 and out I knew it wasn't going to end well. As for the 4th down I would have had Allen roll out with the option to run or pass. It would have taken a lot of guts to go for it on 4th down in that spot.

I would have liked to see a higher percentage play on third down, knowing you’re going to go for it on fourth and short.     I can’t recall if we had a timeout left or not, so that could have been a limiting factor, but you’d really like to see a Josh Allen run somewhere in the mix down there. And yes, he should have gone for it on fourth and 3, but it would have taken some big balls.

[colin]

10 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

What do you like about it? The fact that the team can go pass happy on crappy teams with no pass rush, Jets, Miami...

 

This Bills offense scored ONLY 6 points against a horrid 1-6 Jaguars team that was fielding the 30th ranked  defense at that time! Beaten 10-6...

 

That loss should stick in Bills history forever as they could be 8-5 right now!

 

Think about how many games this team could have won with a decent running attack. Not to mention settling for field goals?

 

Steelers loss 16-23...3 field goals, 18 points lost

 

Titans loss 31-34...3 field goals, 18 points lost

 

Jaguars loss 6-10...2 field goals, 11 points lost

 

Patriots loss 10-14...2 field goals, one missed. 11 points lost

 

Buccaneers loss 27-33, 2 field goals 11 points lost. That last field goal with 25 seconds left in the fourth quarter would have probably won the game right there if it were a TD.

 

The Bills are currently 18th in red zone TD percentage @ 58.93 % and that is up from the last few games where they were 46.5%. That last percentage put them last on the NFL for awhile. 

 

But, But the Buffalo Bills can't run the ball...BS!

 

Devin Singletary in that Bucs game went 4 for 52 for 3 first downs for a 13.0 YPC AVG. Now, we all saw what that rushing did in taking advantage of the Bucs pass rush... and ran right past where the rusher was coming from!!

 

The O line is good enough...the RB's are good enough! Where has that been all season...its the scheme that has been bad and that's on the Bills OC!!

 

 

aside from perhaps just not being good enough, i think dabol suffers from being too clever by half.  i wonder if mcd is too nice at times, letting his coordinators have all the rope they need to hang themselves.

[Thriftygamer83]

Sean McDermott has done his best, right now it's becoming evident that he's playing against two teams in larger games, teams like the Pats, Bucs, and Titans.  Then officials themselves who shave and skim points off of games.  It's only a character law of the NFL not for officials to gamble on the out come of games.  Look at Russia with Putin and fixing hockey games you get the picture.  

[mannc]

1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:

 

 

Before people go sounding off for a guy to be fired, maybe they should have an idea of who would be a good replacement.

So, for example, in 2016, it wasn’t fair to call for Rex Ryan to be fired unless you had a ready replacement on the tip of your tongue? 😀

 

 Sorry, that’s not how it works…in this business, if you’re not getting the job done, you’re out, regardless whether there’s a Sean McVay or Brandon Staley waiting in the wings…and that goes double for a place like TSW of course…

[mannc]

2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm not asking for McDermott to be fired. I'm asking for daboll and maybe frazier to go.

 

Would you change your mind if they lose again to NE and drop one or more home games to CAR, NYJ, or ATL to miss the playoffs?  

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm not asking for McDermott to be fired. I'm asking for daboll and maybe frazier to go.

 

 

I don't see any argument for giving up on Frazier. The defense without Tre White has zero elite players and have still performed pretty well over the past two weeks. With one elite player they were the best defense in the league. Frazier gets the most out of his personnel, that's all you can reasonably ask for.

 

The offense on the other hand has two elite players at the two most important positions on offense and is somehow performing worse than the defense. That alone is cause for Daboll to be replaced.

[jethro_tull]

On 12/6/2021 at 11:09 PM, Wizard said:

There was absolutely no reason that the Bills should have lost this game! For this reason, the Pegula’s need to clean out some of the coaching leadership.

 

The odds of screwing up so many times in a row in a game is probably a million to one. That comes down to poor coaching and players not executing. When players screw up and coaches can not adjust, then this means that McDermott’s coaching ceiling has already been reached. He and his staff are average despite the team’s history

 

Great Coach gets 10-14 points in the situation below.  Good coach gets 6 to 7 points. Replaceable coach gets 0-3 points. 

 

2x’s in the last 6 minutes the Patriots gift wrapped two very doable red zone touchdown opportunities. And, Allen gets sacked, an idiot TE false start, a missed field goal, and passing the ball when running could have led to more manageable play calling rather than 3rd and long and 4th and 14 situations.

 

No adjustments…means no Confidence!

The team lost at home with the best fans, better receivers, and quarterback, unbelievable opportunities to win, and the defense knowing in advance that 95% of the team’s plays would be runs. Mac Jones may have set a record in the last 40 years with 19 pass yards! In other words, our defensive line knew what was coming and the Hoodie decided to be completely one dimensional knowing the Bills could do nothing about it!!!

 

Winning Culture

Yes, there was wind and stats were not going to be as big tonight. The Bills had every reason to win and own the division. It was blanking Monday Night Football. The team had this game circled all season. No amount of clapping, rah rah, or “process” makes up for fumbling the game away.
 

Bad coaching, players aren’t executing, and we can’t build our offense or defense with underwhelming line play, time management issues, and not getting the ball from a 30 million dollar QB not getting the ball to Diggs or a line not capable of digging in and getting 10 yards on the ground with some old-fashion tough running.

 

Ceiling has been reached..new voices

A weaker AFC, Derrick Henry going down, the Chiefs inconsistencies and Ravens, and the inability to beat playoff caliber teams, execute at key times, and the lack of consistency on the lines means this is McDermott’s ceiling.

 

Time for Bills to make big changes!

 

 

 

 

Please.  

The Bills finally have a franchise coach and are off of the perennial coaching / GM merry-go-round.  They have the keys and deservedly so. Give them time and the championship(s) will come.  

Look at the Bears for example, on the verge of another re-boot.  Good luck.  

[Big Turk]

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