Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Pokebball]

10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Article 5 is of existential importance for all countries involved.

Why

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

So helping Ukraine to become a democracy and escape an authoritarian dictator wasn't a wise move for America  not into our lane?

 

do you think we should;ld leave NATO?

 

Oh ok Neo con.  You still think it’s 2004?

 

 

[Pokebball]

12 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Article 5 is of existential importance for all countries involved.

Not any longer, in my opinion.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

19 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Not any longer, in my opinion.

you mean we can stay in an ignore it should it come into play?  if that's the case then we should just leave  what would Putin do?

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

you mean we can stay in an ignore it should it come into play?  if that's the case then we should just leave  what would Putin do?

 

He gets the East and Crimea.  
 

Done.  
 

That’s how this ends.  
 

Eurotrash wants America to fix Obama’s folly.

 

Hillary’s reset.  And Biden’s weakness. 
 

Not happening.  Poland and Eastern Europe can get a security guarantee.  
 

But this is over.  
 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

 

He gets the East and Crimea.  
 

Done.  
 

That’s how this ends.  
 

Eurotrash wants America to fix Obama’s folly.

 

Hillary’s reset.  And Biden’s weakness. 
 

Not happening.  Poland and Eastern Europe can get a security guarantee.  
 

But this is over.  
 

 

 

It's up to the Ukrainians.  does Eastern europe include Ukraine?  If so, they might agree.

 

Should the US leave NATO?

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said:

It's up to the Ukrainians.  does Eastern europe include Ukraine?  If so, they might agree.

 

Should the US leave NATO?

 

No.  But if we see the writing on the wall Europe is trying to force us into a wider conflict with Russia bc they cannot beat them then yes, we are done with Europe.   

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

No.  But if we see the writing on the wall Europe is trying to force us into a wider conflict with Russia bc they cannot beat them then yes, we are done with Europe.   

yeah, not  really how it works (article 5 only gets triggered if a member is attacked) but I think the US remaining in NATO will be a requirement for a peace deal.

Edited 4 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever

[Roundybout]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

He gets the East and Crimea.  
 

Done.  
 

That’s how this ends.  
 

Eurotrash wants America to fix Obama’s folly.

 

Hillary’s reset.  And Biden’s weakness. 
 

Not happening.  Poland and Eastern Europe can get a security guarantee.  
 

But this is over.  
 

 

 

And then they do it again down the line.

 

No thanks. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

so you really didn't expect better?  not important to you..not interested as sherpa would say.

 

Immediately?  No. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Immediately?  No. 

so when do you expect it to improve?  Do you think tariffs will increase prices and increase inflation?

[Big Blitz]

9 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

And then they do it again down the line.

 

No thanks. 

 

Ok?

 

Then what?

Doesn’t this show how pointless the UN is

 

 

 

Just trust us bro….

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Big Blitz

[Roundybout]

11 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Ok?

 

Then what?

Doesn’t this show how pointless the UN is

 

 

 

Just trust us bro….

 

 

What’s your conspiracy here? That the war is fake?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

What’s your conspiracy here? That the war is fake?

I think it's that a Euro cabal wants to precipitate WW3.  Nobody who shouldn't be in a rubber room in a mental hospital wants WW3.

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

What’s your conspiracy here? That the war is fake?

 

Controlled.  
 

If Russia wanted Kiev this would have been over years ago.   
 

If Zelenskyy wanted peace it would have been over Friday.  
 

 

And this is why any support for Ukraine is non existent to over half the country - maybe if Euro trash stood up for liberties instead of suppressing them - like Poland does - they’d have more sympathy.  
 

That’s on you and your ilk.  
 

Maybe not you - but the rooting for “the machine” to be good with the censoring, spying on political opponents, refusing to stand up to illiberal policies - is a stated position by Democrats on this board.  

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Controlled.  
 

If Russia wanted Kiev this would have been over years ago.   
 

If Zelenskyy wanted peace it would have been over Friday.  
 

 

And this is why any support for Ukraine is non existent to over half the country - maybe if Euro trash stood up for liberties instead of suppressing them - like Poland does - they’d have more sympathy.  
 

That’s on you and your ilk.  
 

Maybe not you - but the rooting for “the machine” to be good with the censoring, spying on political opponents, refusing to stand up to illiberal policies - is a stated position by Democrats on this board.  

Support is “non existent” thanks to years of pure, unfiltered right wing propaganda and brain rot. It started with Limbaugh and it’s reached its natural conclusion with clowns like Fuentes. 
 

Ukraine has enough supplies stocked up to last the summer. With luck, by that point the EU will send more and really deliver the boom. 
 

That loser pariah oligarchy will get its comeuppance. It’s a matter of time. 

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Roundybout said:

Support is “non existent” thanks to years of pure, unfiltered right wing propaganda and brain rot. It started with Limbaugh and it’s reached its natural conclusion with clowns like Fuentes. 
 

Ukraine has enough supplies stocked up to last the summer. With luck, by that point the EU will send more and really deliver the boom. 
 

That loser pariah oligarchy will get its comeuppance. It’s a matter of time. 

 

What???  Sarah Palin warned you and your side mocked her.  
 

 

 

W worked well with Putin - as soon as Obama took over - it escalated. 
 

Obama and Hillary were absolutely abused by Putin.  
 

 

[Roundybout]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

What???  Sarah Palin warned you and your side mocked her.  
 

 

 

W worked well with Putin - as soon as Obama took over - it escalated. 
 

Obama and Hillary were absolutely abused by Putin.  
 

 

 

A lot changes in 16 years. 

 

What side do you want? Trump "works well" with Putin because for some damn reason, Trump really likes Putin. Putin likes Trump because he's happy to roll over and let him have whatever he wants. He's a weak soyboy. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Roundybout

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Roundybout said:

 

A lot changes in 16 years. 

 

What side do you want? Trump "works well" with Putin because for some damn reason, Trump really likes Putin. Putin likes Trump because he's happy to roll over and let him have whatever he wants. He's a weak soyboy. 

 

No.  He will not publicly criticize him bc that gets us absolutely nowhere.  What is that going to accomplish?  Putin sees Ukraine just as corrupt, bad, and worse - propped up by America since the Cold War ended we’ve meddled in its elections and Putin needs to hear what a thug he is??  

 

He’s part of negotiations.  He’s the leader of Russia whether we like it or not.  
 

And forcing “changes” to that effect - what do you think that’s going to do to the Anti American contingency in Russia?  What will that cause the next leader of Russia with its nukes to do?   
 

 

 

 

Meanwhile - yep.  This war is Covid:

 

 

[Big Blitz]

15 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

What???  Sarah Palin warned you and your side mocked her.  
 

 

 

W worked well with Putin - as soon as Obama took over - it escalated. 
 

Obama and Hillary were absolutely abused by Putin.  
 

 

 

They mocked Romney too.  
 

 

Why does anyone listen to these people??