Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[SCBills]

I think Zelenskyy’s move at the moment is to get European troops on the ground in Ukraine and then by treaty, bring the United States regardless of what we want to do, when European troops are attacked. 
 

Which is why Trump will seriously consider pulling from NATO if Europe

follows through on these reckless threats. 
 

The stalemate days seem to be coming to an end.. and we’re either moving closer to peace or to WWIII. 

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

It's the argument that if Russia wins in Ukraine, then they'll take all of Europe next. And then the US will have to go fight Russia when Russia triggers Article 5. 

 

Which I would totally buy, if by wins he means Russia rolls right through and takes Kyiv in a matter of days. 

 

But if he means by win Russia keeping an inch of land in the Dumbass, then that's very hard to believe. 

 

Imagine Putin thinking, hey look we won 10-20% of the border regions in three years. Let's go for all of Europe next! Straight from Donetsk to the Danube!  

 

Not seeing it. Putin's the big loser, after the dead in Ukraine and the dead Russians. Biden's admin locked them into a stalemate. But that also means Ukraine can't win.

 

So Zelensky is saying you have to fund us indefinitely to fight in perpetuity, because we won't accept the loss of an inch of land. And if you stop funding us, Russia might take all of Ukraine. And then you're next!

 

But it's funny. If Ukraine accepts a peace deal and the active fighting winds to a halt, then the conditions for the suspension of the Ukrainian elections are no longer met. So Zelensky has a major conflict of interest. He gets to keep power for as long as the fighting continues. 

 

 

Russia can't take much of anything else at this point.  It's been an empty concern/threat since a few months into the war, when it was apparent Russia had their hands full with a non-NATO country.

 

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I think Zelenskyy’s move at the moment is to get European troops on the ground in Ukraine and then by treaty, bring the United States regardless of what we want to do, when European troops are attacked. 
 

Which is why Trump will seriously consider pulling from NATO if Europe

follows through on these reckless threats. 
 

The stalemate days seem to be coming to an end.. and we’re either moving closer to peace or to WWIII. 

 

I believe that Article 5 doesn't apply to troops being attacked in a non-NATO country. 

[Motorin']

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Russia can't take much of anything else at this point.  It's been an empty concern/threat since a few months into the war, when it was apparent Russia had their hands full with a non-NATO country.

 

 

I believe that Article 5 doesn't apply to troops being attacked in a non-NATO country. 

 

It's funny, the liberals argue that the Russians military capable is shite and incapable of much of anything while the otherside of their mouth argues that if we don't fund and arm Ukraine indefinitely then Russia will roll right through Poland and take all Europe. 

 

Which is it? 

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Motorin'

[SCBills]

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

43 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Oh polls! Those are sure accurate, always have been. 

 

The Nazis only murdered 6 million Jews, here Trump wants to hand over 40 million Ukrainians 

 

Trump loves the mass murderer Putin 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

[Homelander]

Zelenskyy owes Putin's b****es an apology? F that.

 

 

 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Motorin' said:

It's funny, the liberals argue that the Russians military capable is shite and incapable of much of anything while the otherside of their mouth argues that if we don't fund and arm Ukraine indefinitely then Russia will roll right through Poland and take all Europe. 

 

Which is it?

 

They don't know.  They'll with their handlers and get back to you.

[4th&long]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

They don't know.  They'll with their handlers and get back to you.

It should work out great for you and Maga. The country is headed in the right direction, the stock market is booming today. Prices are coming down, you can still have eggs for a little less then steak. Hold tight any day now gas will be cheaper then ever. 

[Doc]

45 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

It should work out great for you and Maga. The country is headed in the right direction, the stock market is booming today. Prices are coming down, you can still have eggs for a little less then steak. Hold tight any day now gas will be cheaper then ever. 

 

I survived and thrived during the last 4 years so...

[Joe Ferguson forever]

33 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I survived and thrived during the last 4 years so...

so you really didn't expect better?  not important to you..not interested as sherpa would say.

[B-Man]

 

 

CLICK PLAY.

 

 

[4th&long]

51 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I survived and thrived during the last 4 years so...

Good for you. Well see how you do with this clown show, it's just getting started. Trump ***** the economy up the first time he's fully capable of doing it again. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

10 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

CLICK PLAY.

 

 

Seems Rubio made leaving NATO difficult.  If we don't have a few moderate R's that vote against it, were f'ed.  no hope for the country.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-wants-leave-nato-thanks-191326505.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

[Pokebball]

2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Seems Rubio made leaving NATO difficult.  If we don't have a few moderate R's that vote against it, were f'ed.  no hope for the country.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-wants-leave-nato-thanks-191326505.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

I'm not sure it's that important any longer. Economic alliances are much more important now.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Pokebball said:

I'm not sure it's that important any longer. Economic alliances are much more important now.

Article 5 is of existential importance for all countries involved.

[Big Blitz]

3 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

 

 

I just don’t understand Putin guys.  Just don’t get it.   

[4th&long]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I just don’t understand Putin guys.  Just don’t get it.   

You still spamming the board with your bull *****? Russian bots. *****en moron. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

30 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I just don’t understand Putin guys.  Just don’t get it.   

So helping Ukraine to become a democracy and escape an authoritarian dictator wasn't a wise move for America  not in our lane?

 

do you think we should;ld leave NATO?

Edited 8 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever

[Big Blitz]

Soros run Zelenskyy will not accept any deal with Putin.  
 

He said it.  He can’t be trusted.  
 

NO security guarantee will do a thing to change that.  
 

NO security guarantee for these Neo nazis is even warranted unless we cede land to Russia - which is the only way out of this now.  
 

So in short, WWIII is coming.  
 

The only outcome acceptable is Putin is gone.  
 

 

 

 

HOWEVER - and this is why Trump is brilliant.  
 

As this escalates and spirals out of control - the Democrats are going to be forced to run in the mid terms on sending in troops. 
 

Good luck with that losers.