Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[4th&long]

34 minutes ago, JimmyNoodles said:

A negotiated peace is absolutely ok.  I think Ukraine is asking for the land that is occupied to be returned.  That seems reasonable.  They want Russia to pay for the damage they caused.  There should be reparations since they were the aggressor.  That seems reasonable.  What does Russia want for peace?   

No one knows what Russia wants for peace. Trump pulled his pants down so much so that Putin doesn't have to do or say a thing. Just keep bombing until trump learns on Zelensky so much that he rolls over and plays dead. 

Americans used to stand up for democracy, they used to stand by their allies. They used to oppose dictators. Not anymore appearantly. 

 

Stand up to Putin, they are weak. One thing I learned about Russia with this war is outside of nukes their military ain't worth a sh it! And God knows how old their nukes system is? Does it even work anymore? Probably crash and blow up their own country if they tried to launch one. 

Maga is soft weak and scared. 

 

Edited Saturday at 10:19 PM by 4th&long

[LDD]

3 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

Ukraine lovers want more gore-porn.  Peace does not get them daily drone footage of human bodies being dismembered.

 

Prove me wrong.

 

Ukraine lovers want Ukraine to make decisions about their own country.  We can choose to help or not, that's it.  The world can choose to help or not.  If we don't help there will be plenty of "gore-porn" of Ukrainians getting defiled by Russian conscripts, officers and eventually Oligarchs.  They've already stolen thousands of children to re-educate and raped and killed thousands of women.  The men can fight as long as we support them.  

 

Would you rather fight and die or live and watch every woman and child in your life become a slave of the country that attacked yours?  

 

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15 minutes ago, JimmyNoodles said:

When Doge cuts more than 1/10 of a cent from the budget, let me know.  No one's talking about DEI.  

Yes, we do disagree about how things are.  Russia is in the same boat.  That's why this is all the more important.  

They had to hire north Korean solders for Christ sake. The Russian army is a mess. These people are weak. Make Putin back off. No more land for him. The only thing he gets is no NATO for Ukraine. 

Edited Saturday at 10:20 PM by 4th&long

[ScotSHO]

1 minute ago, LDD said:

 

Ukraine lovers want Ukraine to make decisions about their own country.  We can choose to help or not, that's it.  The world can choose to help or not.  If we don't help there will be plenty of "gore-porn" of Ukrainians getting defiled by Russian conscripts, officers and eventually Oligarchs.  They've already stolen thousands of children to re-educate and raped and killed thousands of women.  The men can fight as long as we support them.  

 

Would you rather fight and die or live and watch every woman and child in your life become a slave of the country that attacked yours?  

 

 

By your Brave Heart logic, the only way out of this is if you sign up to fight.  Why are you still here posting? You're wasting time...

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

19 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Yes because destroying the economy of a global nuclear superpower after this 17 year debacle forcing it to get even closer to China is geopolitical brilliance.  
 

 

China and Russia are already laughing their ***es off at the DEI dumpster fire nation we’ve become that can’t get its financial house in order - we try and the fake news and low info libs decide to make DODGE the problem.  

I guess we should be killing Uyghurs and ethnically cleansing so we can keep up with the Chens and korsakoffs. 

Edited Saturday at 10:22 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

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12 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Sorry about the use of rage. Allow me to re-word - upset enough to do something other than whine on a message board?

 

Hahahaha...you're ramping up to the part where you tell me to go join the Ukranians...right??  Dude, I've read the entire thread and I know the "game" here.  You're an apologist that is incapable of discussing actual issues.  Moreover, you don't care about the lives at stake.  Apparently, you're much more concerned about "being right in defense of MAGA".  

 

 

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1 minute ago, ScotSHO said:

 

By your Brave Heart logic, the only way out of this is if you sign up to fight.  Why are you still here posting? You're wasting time...

 

 

Ukraine is going to do what they want dummy. Not hard to understand. Support them or get out of the way. If you don't want to support them that's up to you. We know you guys love dictators anyway. 

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

No one knows what Russia wants for peace. Trump pulled his pants down so much so that Putin doesn't have to do or say a thing. Just keep bombing until trump learns on Zelensky so much that he rolls over and plays dead. 

Americans used to stand up for democracy, they used to stream by their allies. They used to oppose dictators. Not anymore appearantly. 

 

Stand up to Putin, they are weak. One thing I learned about Russia with this war is outside of nukes their military ain't worth a sh it! And good knows how old their nukes system is? Does it even work anymore? Probably crash and blow up their own country if they tried to launch one. 

Maga is soft weak and scared. 

 

 

 

 

USAID provoked protests in 2013 - Big mad that Ukraine wouldn’t join the EU.  
 

Ukraine voted for a pro Russian president.  
 

USAID and the West tried to stop that from happening.  Organized more protests and force him to flee.  
 

Putin says enough of USAID and Euro trash meddling in our backyard we are moving on Crimea.  

 

And here we are.  
 

 

 

Post 1991 West totally knows what it’s doing regarding “democracy.”

 

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3 minutes ago, LDD said:

 

Hahahaha...you're ramping up to the part where you tell me to go join the Ukranians...right??  Dude, I've read the entire thread and I know the "game" here.  You're an apologist that is incapable of discussing actual issues.  Moreover, you don't care about the lives at stake.  Apparently, you're much more concerned about "being right in defense of MAGA".  

 

 

Trump and Maga have exposed themselves to the whole world who they truly are. 

[LDD]

2 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

 

By your Brave Heart logic, the only way out of this is if you sign up to fight.  Why are you still here posting? You're wasting time...

 

 

Hahahha, read my other post to JD who played the same sad card.  If this board is anything, it's good for the same ol crap.  Of course you were going to lay that one on me.  

 

I serve the US. 

I pay taxes.  

I have an opinion.  

 

You're a Russian apologist and a pu$$y.  Life is a tough deal.  Have fun with the new, orange, eZ waaayyy.  

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

What is this load of *****? 

[Homelander]

None of this would be happening if Ukraine hadn’t surrendered its nukes in exchange for hollow promises of protection from the US, UK and Russia.

 

Shame on Clinton and every president since for failing to hold Russia accountable for betraying its word.

 

History has shown that appeasement only emboldens aggressors. If the world caves to Putin now, it’s practically an invitation for him or someone like him to repeat this cycle in the future.

 

The cost of standing firm now is far less than the cost of dealing with the fallout later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Look back a few posts at the discussion of how misleading this disclose tv post is. If SC isn’t embarrassed by that, he’s shameless  we already know you are. 

[B-Man]

 

 

But for some, the pleasure of abusing Vladimir Putin is great enough to risk World War Three.

 

The commentariat was shocked by the spectacle, as was the Ukrainian ambassador to the US, who could see that Zelensky was making a dog’s breakfast of the press conference. “I have never seen anything like it before,” was a common refrain. 

 

Zelensky was used to being a moral hero to his interlocutors. But here was a US president who was interested in peace, not preening. J.D.Vance not only pointed out that Zelensky had not only come to Pennsylvania to campaign for Kamala Harris in October, but also cut to the chase with a pointed question: “

 

Do you think that it’s respectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country?”

 

https://thespectator.com/topic/volodymyr-zelensky-goes-town-oval-office/

[ScotSHO]

3 minutes ago, LDD said:

Hahahha, read my other post to JD who played the same sad card.  If this board is anything, it's good for the same ol crap.  Of course you were going to lay that one on me.  

 

I serve the US. 

I pay taxes.  

I have an opinion.  

 

You're a Russian apologist and a pu$$y.  Life is a tough deal.  Have fun with the new, orange, eZ waaayyy.  

 

 

 

Name calling, noice.  The name callers always win. 

 

I doubt you're American now.  "I serve the US" what the hell does that mean?

[JimmyNoodles]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

But for some, the pleasure of abusing Vladimir Putin is great enough to risk World War Three.

 

The commentariat was shocked by the spectacle, as was the Ukrainian ambassador to the US, who could see that Zelensky was making a dog’s breakfast of the press conference. “I have never seen anything like it before,” was a common refrain. 

 

Zelensky was used to being a moral hero to his interlocutors. But here was a US president who was interested in peace, not preening. J.D.Vance not only pointed out that Zelensky had not only come to Pennsylvania to campaign for Kamala Harris in October, but also cut to the chase with a pointed question: “

 

Do you think that it’s respectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country?”

 

https://thespectator.com/topic/volodymyr-zelensky-goes-town-oval-office/

The administration that offered nothing.  Zelensky showed the world who Bone Spurs really is, if they didn't already know.  

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2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

But for some, the pleasure of abusing Vladimir Putin is great enough to risk World War Three.

 

The commentariat was shocked by the spectacle, as was the Ukrainian ambassador to the US, who could see that Zelensky was making a dog’s breakfast of the press conference. “I have never seen anything like it before,” was a common refrain. 

 

Zelensky was used to being a moral hero to his interlocutors. But here was a US president who was interested in peace, not preening. J.D.Vance not only pointed out that Zelensky had not only come to Pennsylvania to campaign for Kamala Harris in October, but also cut to the chase with a pointed question: “

 

Do you think that it’s respectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country?”

 

https://thespectator.com/topic/volodymyr-zelensky-goes-town-oval-office/

This is all bull sh it. Go on your Commie message board and post this weak take. 

[B-Man]

Zelensky and European Leaders Digging a Bigger Hole

David Strom 

 

The wonder is that after the disgraceful performance of Zelensky at the Oval Office, Trump is still making it clear that he is willing to forgive and forget if we can get a deal to end the war. 

 

As Trump said, Zelenskyy really overplayed his hand, thinking he could renegotiate the deal he had cut by trying to shame and school Trump in front of the world. It was a horrible move, but Trump wants a deal, and if Zelenskyy backs down then the war can end. 

 

Zelenskyy believes that if the US were willing to enter the war then he could repel Russia, kick it out of Crimea and the Donbas, and the world would be just again. It is not going to happen, and absolutely nobody actually believes that is wise. Obama didn't. He wouldn't even send weapons to Ukraine after Russia invaded because Ukraine is not a vital interest of ours and war with Russia would be horrible. Biden didn't until the war started. Only Trump actually helped Ukraine with weapons, and Zelenskyy still criticized Trump for not doing enough during his first term. 

 

Europeans pretend they can go it alone if they have to, but that is no more realistic than an 8 year old threatening to run away from home unless he gets his way. Europe has depended on the US for 80 years to defend it, and they have no capacity to do so. None. It could in the future, and Presidents have for decades told them to step up, but they have refused every time to honor their commitments. Now they whine, even though they have demeaned and betrayed us. 

 

In this context, Zelenskyy's tweetstorm after the argument at the White House just made things worse. He maintained that Ukraine has a right not just to guarantees--which were actually implied in the minerals deal--but help in kicking Russia entirely out of Ukrainian territory including Crimea. That is his red line. 

 

Red lines are fictions if you can't back them up. Europe won't back him up on that. Imagine France, Germany, and Great Britain sending troops to Ukraine to go toe to toe with Russia. Never going to happen. They know that the United States is the only country in the world that could possibly liberate Ukraine, and we are not going to risk a nuclear war for a strategically insignificant country. Ever. 

 

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2025/03/01/zelensky-and-european-leaders-digging-a-bigger-hole-n3800332

 

 

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[Big Blitz]

11 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

Yep