Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

from your last link

"The EU hasn't banned imports of Russian LNG or pipeline gas, unlike oil and coal, but it has set a goal to ditch all Russian gas by 2027, to deprive Putin of revenues, and not be dependent on Russia for the fossil fuel ever again."

 

The EU has cut reliance on Russian energy overall, significantly.  Yes, people get rich finding loopholes.  But they can be closed by ethical governments.  Lots of investors see Europe as a better bet than the US right now.  I think the odds of "struggling" are about equal especially with impending tariffs and potentially $3 trillion added to the deficit by the recently advanced budget.  And again, none of this has anything to do with some former east german companies wanting more Russian energy as disclose sensationalized.

 

I plainly disagree with Europe's economic ability to support Ukraine.  It will be a matter of will.  I think they have that given the threat of murderous, imperialistic putin...

Oh, they set a “goal”.  Got it.  How very EU of them. In other words, all talk. 
 

The rest of your post is simply opinion. 

[4th&long]

47 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

if no peace is reached Ukraine will continue be destroyed, Ukrainian men will die, and unless the US sends ground troops it will still end up as a Russian win. 

Who doesn't understand thisTrump better start working on Russia. Ukraine surrendering to Russia, trump pulling down his pants for this is not going to work. What part of Ukrainians would rather die than become part of Russia don't you understand? 

Edited Saturday at 03:45 PM by 4th&long

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

They won’t answer.  
 

They never do. 
 

They think they have the moral high ground by playing Call of Duty in their head with other peoples lives. 
 

They can’t stand to be bothered by the reality of American tax dollars being set on fire so Ukraine and Russia can go town to town, pulling fathers, sons and brothers from their homes to be quickly trained and sent to the front lines where they face the likely horrific dystopian proposition of death by drone. 
 

No amount of body bags is too high for them, because they decided during Trump 45 that Russia/Putin is our biggest geopolitical threat.  They still think he’s the reason Trump won, therefore they’ll convince themselves Russia wants to take Europe and unless American tax dollars and disposable Ukrainian lives stop them, Russia will be rolling through Paris next year. 
 

After all, this is about “protecting democracy” and the zero tolerance for invasions of sovereign nations… I’ll now check this board to find mention of Rwanda/Congo. 

I'll answer.  Both sides, negotiating with each other face to face, come to an agreement on land holdings. there will need to be compromise on both sides.  A "backstop" of military force to ensure compliance with the treaty must be established.  The mineral rights deal happens afterward if all are in agreement.  All this was not far away until trump showed everyone that he's putin's B word, in part by not involving Ukraine in initial negotiations.

[Albwan]

    I find it rather telling that leftists on this board are thrilled and cheerlead loudly for any perceived failure of America on this board, 

and yet seem to be so passionate about Ukraine. Even before the war, how much time Biden and many other

US politicians spent engrossed in that country. It's all very strange.

[4th&long]

5 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

 

The world response (and even a lot of republicians) is telling. But that, like so many other things in life, will go right over maga's head. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Oh, they set a “goal”.  Got it.  How very EU of them. In other words, all talk. 
 

The rest of your post is simply opinion. 

so wait, your posts are facts.  like the disclose article?

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

Who doesn't understand this. Trump better start working on Russia. Ukraine surrendering to Russia, trump pulling down his pants for this is not going to work. What party of Ukrainians would rather die than become part of Russia don't you understand? 

Clearly you don’t understand this. 
 

Europe doesn’t have the ability or will to lift up Ukraine. 
 

Ukraine is running out of bodies. 
 

America has been bankrolling the war, and now the American public wants out. 
 

This is an unwinnable war for Ukraine unless we enter WW3, which is what Zelenskyy wants.  And I don’t blame him, but that’s not in our interests, at all. 
 

So, here we are.  And you still can’t answer the question… what do you want given the reality of this situation?

 

If you want American troops on the ground, just say it.   Thats how Ukraine wins.  Otherwise it’s a slow death funded by American tax dollars until they run out of bodies OR a peace deal in which - yes, it’s not fair - but Russia likely keeps some land and gets assurances about NATO & Ukraine’s future as it pertains to the West. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

so wait, your posts are facts.  like the disclose article?

The Disclose article is based on conversations very much ongoing in German circles

 

Unlike the pulled from thin air quote from “The Halfway Post” above that I cannot believe has been quoted by multiple people as real…

 

 

Edited Saturday at 03:51 PM by SCBills

[4th&long]

1 minute ago, Albwan said:

    I find it rather telling that leftists on this board are thrilled and cheerlead loudly for any perceived failure of America on this board, 

and yet seem to be so passionate about Ukraine. Even before the war, how much time Biden and many other

US politicians spent engrossed in that country. It's all very strange.

Thayer because your a *****en idiot. No one is cheering for the failure of America.  Not OK with kissing Putins ass. Not OK with that ***** show in the white house yesterday. I don't care what side you are on and who you support that was a ***** slow and an embarrassment. You just have your head shoved to far up trumps ass to see it! 

[Motorin']

11 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

 

 

Liberal fan fiction is back in gear! It's like a chose your own adventure, make up whatever you want Trump to have said so you can share with your friends. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Clearly you don’t understand this. 
 

Europe doesn’t have the ability or will to lift up Ukraine. 
 

Ukraine is running out of bodies. 
 

America has been bankrolling the war, and now the American public wants out. 
 

This is an unwinnable war for Ukraine unless we enter WW3, which is what Zelenskyy wants.  And I don’t blame him, but that’s not in our interests, at all. 
 

So, here we are.  And you still can’t answer the question… what do you want given the reality of this situation?

 

If you want American troops on the ground, just say it.   Thats how Ukraine wins.  Otherwise it’s a slow death funded by American tax dollars until they run out of bodies OR a peace deal in which - yes, it’s not fair - but Russia likely keeps some land and gets assurances about NATO & Ukraine’s future as it pertains to the West. 

the ukrainians decide whether they fight or not.  Not you, not trump, not putin.  The "bankrolling" argument is stupid.  almost half of Americans pay no federal income tax so these people aren't even "bankrolling" America highways much less global wars.  And which side of the electorate do you suppose forms the majority of the non tax payers?  Here's a hint - most of Vance's blood relatives are in that camp.

 

The statement about Europe's ability or will is just your opinion.

Edited Saturday at 03:57 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[Homelander]

It’s laughable to see people complain about spending that mostly benefits US A&D companies, all while bowing to Putin.

 

The solution in Ukraine is simple: Putin, get out.

[Big Blitz]

3 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

the contrast between the body language of rubio and vance is telling.  Rubio is embarrassed.  rightfully ashamed.  Hillbilly vance is ready for a WWF match.  this was  a planned ambush.  little marco wasn't told.

 

Planned?

 

You ignoring that whole exchange started with Zelenskyy who was clearly told by his masters to instigate, accept no deals, continue the war, never ever allow Trump to claim a peace deal, and if possible please try and make them look bad.  
 

 

Sorry buddy.  What was staged was Zelensky “let me ask you a question” - which was him saying “sorry America, this “war” is not ending any time soon.”

 

 

That's why Trump said afterward he doesn’t want this to be a 10 year war.  
 

 

Your clown show commie friends and Zelensky just told you yesterday that yep - it’s going to be a 10 year war.  
 

 

Nice job you freaking suckers.  

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

3 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Liberal fan fiction is back in gear! It's like a chose your own adventure, make up whatever you want Trump to have said so you can share with your friends. 

You are just an ignorant turd 

[4th&long]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Clearly you don’t understand this. 
 

Europe doesn’t have the ability or will to lift up Ukraine. 
 

Ukraine is running out of bodies. 
 

America has been bankrolling the war, and now the American public wants out. 
 

This is an unwinnable war for Ukraine unless we enter WW3, which is what Zelenskyy wants.  And I don’t blame him, but that’s not in our interests, at all. 
 

So, here we are.  And you still can’t answer the question… what do you want given the reality of this situation?

 

If you want American troops on the ground, just say it.   Thats how Ukraine wins.  Otherwise it’s a slow death funded by American tax dollars until they run out of bodies OR a peace deal in which - yes, it’s not fair - but Russia likely keeps some land and gets assurances about NATO & Ukraine’s future as it pertains to the West. 
 

 

The Disclose article is based on conversations very much ongoing in German circles

 

Unlike the pulled from thin air quote from “The Halfway Post” above that I cannot believe has been quoted by multiple people as real…

 

 

I think I have stated many times what I want. Stand up to Putin you bunch of weak ass bitc ches! Stop sending money, yes Ukrain is running out of bodies they will keep fighting no matter how low they get on bodies or who supports them. 

 

I know who I don't want to be in a fox hole with, Maga is a bunch of Cowards. 

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

 

The solution in Ukraine is simple: Putin, get out.

Ok, well, he won’t.  
 

So, how would you like us to accomplish this?

 

Still haven’t seen any specifics, aside from one poster that acknowledges Ukraine will have to make land sacrifices in a peace deal, even if not fair. 

[Homelander]

Not planned, huh?

 

Yet somehow, a Russian state media reporter waltzed into the Oval Office for the Trump-Zelensky sit-down. Convenient doesn’t even begin to cover it.

 

Unbelievable.

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Planned?

 

You ignoring that whole exchange started with Zelenskyy who was clearly told by his masters to instigate, accept no deals, continue the war, never ever allow Trump to claim a peace deal, and if possible please try and make them look bad.  
 

 

Sorry buddy.  What was staged was Zelensky “let me ask you a question” - which was him saying “sorry America, this “war” is not ending any time soon.”

 

 

That's why Trump said afterward he doesn’t want this to be a 10 year war.  
 

 

Your clown show commie friends and Zelensky just told you yesterday that yep - it’s going to be a 10 year war.  
 

 

Nice job you freaking suckers.  

Vance set of a rehearsed bomb.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/vance-lit-the-fuse-and-trump-exploded-inside-the-historic-oval-office-meltdown-that-could-change-the-world/ar-AA1A13tb

 

Vance saw an opportunity to begin his obviously rehearsed speech — an ambush. 

“For four years in the United States of America, we had a president who stood up at press conferences and talked tough about Vladimir Putin, and Putin invaded Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy,” he said. 

The repeated suggestion that diplomacy hadn’t been tried finally broke Zelensky, forcing him to make a crucial intervention. If Trump and Vance did not understand that diplomacy had already been tried repeatedly with Putin, and the Russian president had broken all previous agreements, then their own peace plan was doomed to fail. 

He gave the vice president a history lesson.

“We signed a ceasefire,” Zelensky said. “But after that he broke the ceasefire, he killed our people ... What kind of diplomacy, JD, are you speaking about? What do you mean?” 

 

What was Zelenskyy supposed to say to Vance's statement?:  "Yes, after all we've seen, we'll just trust you and putin to decide the conditions for our surrender".

 

Edited Saturday at 04:06 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

Just now, SCBills said:

Ok, well, he won’t.  
 

So, how would you like us to accomplish this?

 

Still haven’t seen any specifics, aside from one poster that acknowledges Ukraine will have to make land sacrifices in a peace deal, even if not fair. 

This is the only way the war ends, like it or not.

[Big Blitz]

Just now, SCBills said:

Ok, well, he won’t.  
 

So, how would you like us to accomplish this?

 

Still haven’t seen any specifics, aside from one poster that acknowledges Ukraine will have to make land sacrifices in a peace deal, even if not fair. 

 

We need them to say it.  And their political future which is already done anyway, may never ever recover.  
 

Their only logical solution - I’m probably sure most of them no longer understand - is that American troops are going to be needed and we’re going to have to go to war with Russia.  
 

 

Or maybe they think they just cancel Russia by not letting them play international hockey tournaments.  
 

Democrats are so furious today because their lunacy, failed Ukraine policies since Obama were ALL exposed yesterday.  
 

 

All they can do is falsely claim “MAGA just loves Putin.”  
 

Idiots - ignoring all the ignorance going back to Obama’s reset button, Hillary meddling in Ukraine, and Biden letting this unravel in 2022 while we hid from the flu.  Russia saw what pansies we’d become.  

[Homelander]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Ok, well, he won’t.  
 

So, how would you like us to accomplish this?

 

Still haven’t seen any specifics, aside from one poster that acknowledges Ukraine will have to make land sacrifices in a peace deal, even if not fair. 

 

 

The solution is painfully obvious: Putin, get the hell out. Trump trashes Zelenskyy while singing Putin’s praises.

 

It’s impossible to take MAGA seriously when they won’t even admit Trump is Putin’s lapdog.

 

Lastly, Trump’s track record on “world peace” is abysmal; just take a hard look at the chaos in the Middle East and Afghanistan.