Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[sherpa]

14 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Then pull out and give Putin what he wants...choose, freedom or communism 

 

 

There are other options for a solution.

What is going on now is not one of them.

Your's is the Zelensky ultimatum, which is not going to work. 

[Niagara Bill]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Whats more socialist in Russia then Britain?

 

Whats more communist than Jake Tapper?

 

DEI is communist.  
 

10000000 percent 21st century communism.  
 

 

Refute that.  

Easy, get educated. 

Elections vs killing opponents

DEI  is crazy but not communist..

Affirmative Action was crazy, but not communist.

You must be a puppy. Remember Cuban Missle crisis, remember miracle on ice  remember the wall in Berlin, remember Stalin, 

Socialism is much different than communism...they are not interchangeable.

Maybe you think that McCarthy didn't know what a communist was?

 

 

[aristocrat]

21 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Then pull out and give Putin what he wants...choose, freedom or communism 

Most Presidents have no problem choosing. 

Stay out of the press and be serious. Trump wants to be all Hollywood...

People can agree to things quietly that cannot be done in public, Zelinsky has a constituency to deal with to. They have lost 400,000, and that cannot be for not. They stood against Putin. If he wins who is next. 

 

Woke is not commie...but certainly AOC and gang were close .

Europe can send their troops in. Probably could defeat Russia. Why haven’t they?

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Easy, get educated. 

Elections vs killing opponents

DEI  is crazy but not communist..

Affirmative Action was crazy, but not communist.

You must be a puppy. Remember Cuban Missle crisis, remember miracle on ice  remember the wall in Berlin, remember Stalin, 

Socialism is much different than communism...they are not interchangeable.

Maybe you think that McCarthy didn't know what a communist was?

 

 

 

Communist:

 

 

29 percent of spending is transfer payments in this country in order to elevate the 60K a year wage earner (thanks to minimum wage laws) on par with the 100K earner. 
 

Credits for homes.  Eroding the suburbs.  
 

Credits for college - almost a free ride.  The “wealthier” getting no money.  
 

Welfare.  
 

Food stamps.  
 

Illegals getting benefits.  Then registers to vote.  
 

We are now only behind France in redistribution.  
 

All protected by a media that’s sole purpose is to protect “the machine.”  
 

 

Communism.  Just without a gun.  I mean they’ll cancel you so that’s close enough.  
 

Oh.  They want to ban those to.  And limit free speech.  And the constitution is trash.  
 

 

Communism doesn’t have to be Stalinism or the Khmer Rouge.   
 

It can be California.  
 

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

You know Trump and Vance wouldn’t be disrespectful  to mass murderer Putin that way 

 

Trump wouldn’t lick the blood off his fingers and Vance worked another part of the body 

[Niagara Bill]

19 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Europe can send their troops in. Probably could defeat Russia. Why haven’t they?

NATO. 

[4th&long]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

Can you imagine if a country invaded and occupied the US over several years. Then a foreign leader tried to resolve it by seemingly siding with our invaders, accusing the US of starting it, and calling our president a dictator. Asking for damages for war support in the form of minerals and basically shaming our leaders in public demanding they say thank you and bow like children. I don’t care what you think of Ukraine, but to think of the same thing happening to us and how people would respond just shows how disconnected Americans are with this situation and what they feel is acceptable. 

Not only that Americans would fight to the death. Just. Like. Ukraine. These people think not supporting them and they will give up. Putin will have to kill them all and he will and he has maga's full support to kill every lady one of them. 

[Niagara Bill]

12 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Communist:

 

 

29 percent of spending is transfer payments in this country in order to elevate the 60K a year wage earner (thanks to minimum wage laws) on par with the 100K earner. 
 

Credits for homes.  Eroding the suburbs.  
 

Credits for college - almost a free ride.  The “wealthier” getting no money.  
 

Welfare.  
 

Food stamps.  
 

Illegals getting benefits.  Then registers to vote.  
 

We are now only behind France in redistribution.  
 

All protected by a media that’s sole purpose is to protect “the machine.”  
 

 

Communism.  Just without a gun.  I mean they’ll cancel you so that’s close enough.  
 

Oh.  They want to ban those to.  And limit free speech.  And the constitution is trash.  
 

 

Communism doesn’t have to be Stalinism or the Khmer Rouge.   
 

It can be California.  
 

 

Your definition...yo insight reaction.

I hate the left, and much if what you say maybe true, but your terms are very wrong. 

Liberalism is about redistribution of wealth, woke is liberalism for sure. 

No one because they are different either by choice or birth deserves advantage. No one needs to apologize for our collective history, no one should be able to condem Columbus 600 years later.

But hatred by the right is not helpful, not good for your country. Ridicule by a president is not helpful.

Calling extreme liberalism, communism is not helpful. The US has 400,000,000, not 81,000,000

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Whats more socialist in Russia then Britain?

 

Whats more communist than Jake Tapper?

 

DEI is communist.  
 

10000000 percent 21st century communism.  
 

 

Refute that.  

 

Rush Limbaugh was yelling about affirmative action 25 years ago. When are you ever going to get a different talking point?

[Big Blitz]

15 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Your definition...yo insight reaction.

I hate the left, and much if what you say maybe true, but your terms are very wrong. 

Liberalism is about redistribution of wealth, woke is liberalism for sure. 

No one because they are different either by choice or birth deserves advantage. No one needs to apologize for our collective history, no one should be able to condem Columbus 600 years later.

But hatred by the right is not helpful, not good for your country. Ridicule by a president is not helpful.

Calling extreme liberalism, communism is not helpful. The US has 400,000,000, not 81,000,000

 

Calling a people that want secure borders Nazis and neo-Fascists is tho?  
 

That’s helpful?  

[4th&long]

MAGA simply doesn't understand how Trump plays in places that have nothing to do with Russia and Ukraine. Countries around the world now understand that the USA isn't someone you can depend on when the going gets tough. Trump is weak, and that is what he portrayed today," wrote Shanker.

 

Trump can take on small-time targets like the Houthis and ISIS, he added, but "If you are anyone that can fight back, politically/military/economically, Trump doesn't have much spine to fight you, even if the fight is worth having."

 

"If I am China, I am absolutely, 100% going to attack Taiwan before the end of Trump's Presidency," Shanker added. "Because we know Trump won't spend any effort protecting them."

 

https://flip.it/LQvqDC

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

MAGA simply doesn't understand how Trump plays in places that have nothing to do with Russia and Ukraine. Countries around the world now understand that the USA isn't someone you can depend on when the going gets tough. Trump is weak, and that is what he portrayed today," wrote Shanker.

 

Trump can take on small-time targets like the Houthis and ISIS, he added, but "If you are anyone that can fight back, politically/military/economically, Trump doesn't have much spine to fight you, even if the fight is worth having."

 

"If I am China, I am absolutely, 100% going to attack Taiwan before the end of Trump's Presidency," Shanker added. "Because we know Trump won't spend any effort protecting them."

 

https://flip.it/LQvqDC

Great Scott! Are you saying you can actually show strength without having to show strength?!?!  I thought only the yellers and pointers were strong 😂

[4th&long]

This was an ambush planned by trump and Vance. 

 

It looks like we need a new leader of the free world. It's no longer the USA. 

[Big Blitz]

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John Kerry btw…..Vietnamese sympathizer during Vietnam.  Commie.  

[SCBills]

47 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

This was an ambush planned by trump and Vance. 

 

It looks like we need a new leader of the free world. It's no longer the USA. 

The ol’ 40 minute buildup to an ambush tactic. 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

20 minutes ago, SCBills said:

The ol’ 40 minute buildup to an ambush tactic. 

 

You're right.

 

 

 

 

 

When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was possible that Trump and Vance ambushed Zelensky or were even trying to humiliate him. That's not what happened. 

 

You had 40 minutes of calm conversation. Vance made a point that didn't attack Zelensky and wasn't even addressed to him, and Zelensky clearly started the argument. 

 

In the first 40 minutes, Zelensky kept trying to go beyond what was negotiated in the deal. When Trump was asked a question, it was always "we'll see." Zelensky made blanket assertions that there would be no negotiating with Putin, and that Russia would pay for the war. When Trump said that it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky interjected that the Russians were the invaders. 

 

For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal. 

 

The argument started when Trump pointed out that it would be hard to make a deal if you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. Vance interjects to make the reasonable point that Biden called Putin names and that didn't get us anywhere. 

 

The Zelensky/Trump dynamic was calm and stable. It was when Vance spoke that Zelensky started to interrogate him. Throughout the press conference to that point, everyone was making their arguments directly to the audience. Zelensky decided to challenge Vance and ask him hostile questions. He went back to his point that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, once again implying that negotiations are pointless. Why on earth would you do this? Then came the fight we all saw. 

 

Zelensky was minutes away from being home free, and he would have had the deal and new commitments from the Trump administration. The point Vance made was directed against Biden and the media, taking them to task for speaking in moralistic terms. This offended Zelensky, and that began the argument. 

 

I've been a fan of Zelensky up to this point, but this showed so much incompetence, if not emotional instability, that I don't see how he recovers from this. The relationship with the administration is broken. Ukraine should probably go with new leadership at this point.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

These people are gone.  GONE!

 

 

 

Did he cry like this when Putin rolled into Crimea under Obama?  Guaranteed he couldn’t have cared less at the time. 
 

When Covid was “over,” he immediately went to the next big lib thing to distract us because they almost killed Western civilization.  Ukraine.  

Edited Saturday at 02:59 AM by Big Blitz

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SCBills]

Rubio on CNN with Kaitlan Collins was fantastic. 
 

Gives insight to why he looked like he wanted to murder someone sitting on the couch.  Hes been working on this minerals deal with Scott Bessant since coming on board, only to have Zelenskyy use this to pull a stunt.