Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[njbuff]

23 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

I haven't seen anyone break from Trump. There is no on the fence. 

And yet I still contribute more to this board than you. 

A handicapped person with no arms contributes more to this board than you.

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

2026 election cycle...the change in traditional constitutional process will begin.

 

How?

 

Never mind.  You believe Trump is going to use the military to seize power.

Edited Thursday at 09:06 PM by Doc

[Motorin']

27 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

This us not pressure...this is pure bs to side with Putin and call Zelensky a dictator.

Trump is a bully, it is easy to sink your friends and allies and tough to stand up to Putin...

 

Or, it's working? 

 

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

34 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

How?

 

Never mind.  You believe Trump is going to use the military to seize power.

There will be a reason to not have the mid terms...or extend them, not military yet. Not sure exactly but he will not take the chance to lose congress majority if he thinks he might. 

You know his executive orders are safe today because of his majority control.

He is making money decisions he has no right...only because he cannot lose in congress.

As a citizen you can expect a massive income tax reduction in 11 months.

This guy can do some great things...border, taxes, reducing government control ,get the left out, but outside your borders is a different issue, and his desire for power is frightening.

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

There will be a reason to not have the mid terms...or extend them, not military yet. Not sure exactly but he will not take the chance to lose congress majority if he thinks he might. 

You know his executive orders are safe today because of his majority control.

He is making money decisions he has no right...only because he cannot lose in congress.

As a citizen you can expect a massive income tax reduction in 11 months.

This guy can do some great things...border, taxes, reducing government control ,get the left out, but outside your borders is a different issue, and his desire for power is frightening.

 

Not going to happen.  But I'd be up for a wager.

[LDD]

1 hour ago, wnyguy said:

Understood, but I don't think anyone here sympathizes with Russia.

Ahh, 100% disagree. I've followed this thread for a long while and there's a drumbeat here of Russian propaganda.  The reposting of party lines is "sympathizing" in my book.  

The entire line of "stopping the bloodshed" is a Russian cover.  It makes sense to the weak, western mindset and the Russians know it.  It has seeped into the MAGA echo chambers and is now pounded out.  The Ukranians are fighting for their survival and unless the invaders are absolutely repelled they are finished and they know it.  The Ukranians are smart and tough.  They will cede strategic advantages but they will go to ground and continue to fight.  They won't stand by to let their wives and daughters be sold to oligarchs and their kids be sent to "re-education" camps.  

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

4 hours ago, yall said:

 

 

I'm pro-Ukraine but when is enough death and money?

How will the death stop with Putin in power? The peace deals with Hitler sure appeased him. 

 

Funding Ukraine is simply a good investment, fighting criminals is just a good idea 

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Not going to happen.  But I'd be up for a wager.

1 US dollar vs 1 Canadian dollar.  Deal

[SCBills]

30 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

How will the death stop with Putin in power? The peace deals with Hitler sure appeased him. 

 

Funding Ukraine is simply a good investment, fighting criminals is just a good idea 

It’s so wild how cavalier the morally superior freedom fighters talk about this war.

 

Ukrainian men are rounded up from their everyday lives and forced to be sent to the front lines, an almost assured death awaits, along with their Russian counterparts.

 

All the while, a segment of westerners brag to their friends about how supportive they are of Democracy ™️ without a care in the world of the horror awaiting these men daily. 
 

You talk as if this is a Marvel movie with good guys and bad guys, while you laud politicians lining their pockets with defense contract money as they play Call of Duty with the innocent lives of others.

 

Its all so gross. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, LDD said:

Ahh, 100% disagree. I've followed this thread for a long while and there's a drumbeat here of Russian propaganda.  The reposting of party lines is "sympathizing" in my book.  

The entire line of "stopping the bloodshed" is a Russian cover.  It makes sense to the weak, western mindset and the Russians know it.  It has seeped into the MAGA echo chambers and is now pounded out.  The Ukranians are fighting for their survival and unless the invaders are absolutely repelled they are finished and they know it.  The Ukranians are smart and tough.  They will cede strategic advantages but they will go to ground and continue to fight.  They won't stand by to let their wives and daughters be sold to oligarchs and their kids be sent to "re-education" camps.  

 

 

Ukraine can and should continue to fight.  But why should we pay for it?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

"Perhaps."  Yeah and "perhaps" Wuhan virus came from a wet market without a shred of evidence.

 

You think the Dems haven't been working feverishly since 2016 to find this connection, much like China's been trying to find that animal vector to suppor the "wet market" theory?

 

No, was in a cataract room yesterday.  Could post 7 times during 1 case alone there...

 

 

Thanks.  But as I asked above, how much longer are we going to have to wait for this proof?

i'm sure the ophthalmologist would love that.  have had both eyes done.  CNA  did your job.

[Doc]

55 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

i'm sure the ophthalmologist would love that.  have had both eyes done.  CNA  did your job.

 

There's not much to the anesthesia for a cataract.  A little versed and fentanyl.  Very easy day.

[Coffeesforclosers]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

It’s so wild how cavalier the morally superior freedom fighters talk about this war.

 

Ukrainian men are rounded up from their everyday lives and forced to be sent to the front lines, an almost assured death awaits, along with their Russian counterparts.

 

All the while, a segment of westerners brag to their friends about how supportive they are of Democracy ™️ without a care in the world of the horror awaiting these men daily. 
 

You talk as if this is a Marvel movie with good guys and bad guys, while you laud politicians lining their pockets with defense contract money as they play Call of Duty with the innocent lives of others.

 

Its all so gross. 

 

If only everyone in the world was as moral, and enlightened as you are.

 

It must pain you to live among so many mere mortals.

 

  

Edited yesterday at 01:28 AM by Coffeesforclosers

[LDD]

13 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Ukraine can and should continue to fight.  But why should we pay for it?

Because we benefit from a free and stable Europe.  Because Vladimir Putin is an international criminal and terrorist who does terrible things to the Russian people and should be overthrown and the Ukranian fight is clearly a way to work against him in a meaningful way.  Because our military leaders are learning invaluable battle field information about one of our top two adversaries in the world.  Because innocent Ukranians will be slaughtered, murdered, raped, and tortured if we give up the ship.  Because if we're going to spend untold billions on our military we might as well make it count against one of our adversaries while doing the morally correct thing.    

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 hour ago, LDD said:

Because we benefit from a free and stable Europe.  Because Vladimir Putin is an international criminal and terrorist who does terrible things to the Russian people and should be overthrown and the Ukranian fight is clearly a way to work against him in a meaningful way.  Because our military leaders are learning invaluable battle field information about one of our top two adversaries in the world.  Because innocent Ukranians will be slaughtered, murdered, raped, and tortured if we give up the ship.  Because if we're going to spend untold billions on our military we might as well make it count against one of our adversaries while doing the morally correct thing.    

 

But People Are Dying, and America: World Cop needs to Stop People From Dying Right Now.

 

But only in Ukraine and Russia, and no where else on the planet where people are being slaughtered. They can't really explain why people being slaughtered only applies to the Ukraine war and why it needs to stop, right now.  But that's what they believe.

 

It's magic thinking and hypocrisy.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

Doubt that happens, but I guess its what this WH wants, the fall of Ukraine

 

https://www.the-sun.com/news/13593590/zelenskys-flee-ukraine-trump-insiders-warn/

VOLODYMYR Zelensky should flee Ukraine "immediately" amid escalating tensions between Washington and Kyiv, insiders in the White House have warned.

US-Ukraine relations exploded this week, with military intelligence suggesting Russia is just days from declaring victory over the almost three-year war.

 

The agency said: “Russia is preparing to declare an alleged ‘victory’ in the war against Ukraine by the ‘round date’ - 24 February 2025, the third anniversary of the beginning of the full-scale war.

“Moreover, these plans may also include a ‘Russian victory over NATO’, as Muscovite propaganda has long described the war against Ukraine as a war with the Alliance.”

A key aim is to “cover the status of an aggressor and war criminal isolated by the civilised world with the cloak of a supposedly ready for peaceful settlement ‘constructive side of the conflict”.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

13 hours ago, Doc said:

 

There's not much to the anesthesia for a cataract.  A little versed and fentanyl.  Very easy day.

it wasn't long ago.  the female nurse anesthetist hooked me up to a monitor despite my having no heart problems.  She was pleasant.  Told me she'd be watching my rhythm, O2 sats and vitals.  Perhaps she was just being extraordinarily careful...

[Joe Ferguson forever]

17 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

Doubt that happens, but I guess its what this WH wants, the fall of Ukraine

 

https://www.the-sun.com/news/13593590/zelenskys-flee-ukraine-trump-insiders-warn/

VOLODYMYR Zelensky should flee Ukraine "immediately" amid escalating tensions between Washington and Kyiv, insiders in the White House have warned.

US-Ukraine relations exploded this week, with military intelligence suggesting Russia is just days from declaring victory over the almost three-year war.

 

The agency said: “Russia is preparing to declare an alleged ‘victory’ in the war against Ukraine by the ‘round date’ - 24 February 2025, the third anniversary of the beginning of the full-scale war.

“Moreover, these plans may also include a ‘Russian victory over NATO’, as Muscovite propaganda has long described the war against Ukraine as a war with the Alliance.”

A key aim is to “cover the status of an aggressor and war criminal isolated by the civilised world with the cloak of a supposedly ready for peaceful settlement ‘constructive side of the conflict”.

the editorial here  is great

 "his people, with whom he remains highly popular whatever Trump claims, have resisted conquest with immense bravery.

It is troubling and short-sighted in the extreme for the so-called leader of the free world to have no interest in a war ­raging in Europe because he is separated from it by the Atlantic.

America is not a business where Trump, as CEO, has no task except to slash costs and maximise profits. It is the most powerful democracy on Earthwith global responsibilities and — let’s be frank — a duty to discern right from wrong with absolute moral clarity."

 

Gee, I wonder if any maga's here will disagree?

[Motorin']

43 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

But People Are Dying, and America: World Cop needs to Stop People From Dying Right Now.

 

But only in Ukraine and Russia, and no where else on the planet where people are being slaughtered. They can't really explain why people being slaughtered only applies to the Ukraine war and why it needs to stop, right now.  But that's what they believe.

 

It's magic thinking and hypocrisy.

 

Yes, Trump didn't demand and received an immediate cease fire in Gaza. 

 

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

12 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Yes, Trump didn't demand and received an immediate cease fire in Gaza. 

 

 

 

Well *****, I never knew a Ceasefire and Peace were the same thing! Someone go tell North and South Korea!

 

Then he can go fix Rwanda, Sudan, whatever the hell is happening in Southeast Asia...

Edited yesterday at 02:59 PM by Coffeesforclosers