Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

In the choice between "owning" the libs and empowering a murderous, evil tyrant who threatens world peace, you choose the latter.  I'm sure your Religion and Ethics professors at St Bonaventure would be proud.

Well someones gotta own those libs. Enjoy the ride.

[Roundybout]

6 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Hey thanks Roundy, it is now considered a democratic federative, law-based state with a republican form of government. Not Communist or Socialist at all. Sounds like a great place to live. 

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make 

[wnyguy]

Just now, Roundybout said:

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make 

I am just saying thanks for educating me on Russian politics, for real.

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

When?

The proof is starting to come out. 

Calling Zelensky the dictator and Putin his friend. 

Suggesting Ukraine started the conflict because they didn't give in to Putins demands.

I really hope my thoughts on this trump Putin relationship is not true, BUT. Revisionist history has never occurred so early in history. How can you and others not see this. 

 

[Roundybout]

Reagan is rolling over in his grave watching Trump bow down to Russia like this. What a shame.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Well someones gotta own those libs. Enjoy the ride.

Dude, we already now that you're human feces incarnate.  No need for you to confirm it.

6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

How can you and others not see this. 

 

2 major reasons: 1.  they're morons

2.  they're in a cult

[Doc]

37 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

The proof is starting to come out. 

Calling Zelensky the dictator and Putin his friend. 

Suggesting Ukraine started the conflict because they didn't give in to Putins demands.

I really hope my thoughts on this trump Putin relationship is not true, BUT. Revisionist history has never occurred so early in history. How can you and others not see this. 

 

No I meant when did Putin and Russian oligarchs lift Trump out of financial disaster?  

 

And it's about as likely as Trump seizing power and there never being another election again.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No I meant when did Putin and Russian oligarchs lift Trump out of financial disaster?  

 

And it's about as likely as Trump seizing power and there never being another election again.  

Perhaps after 1 of 6 bankruptcies:

https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-business-bankruptcies-4152019.

 

or perhaps helping him (or funneling money) through deutsche bank, his largest and longest creditor?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-secret-ugly-breakup-with-deutsche-bank-revealed-2022-10

 

who knows.  It's not like the KGB hasn't used large sums of money to influence politicians before.

 

2 rooms, 3 docs again today?

Edited Wednesday at 07:03 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Dude, we already now that you're human feces incarnate.  No need for you to confirm it.

2 major reasons: 1.  they're morons

2.  they're in a cult

Joe, I do not think Doc is a cult member...he is a thinking man, and as prove comes out he will recognize it. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, Niagara Bill said:

Joe, I do not think Doc is a cult member...he is a thinking man, and as prove comes out he will recognize it. 

nah.  he drinks the kool aid as fast as he invents a profession.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

fascinating stuff.  It's a fair assumption that the psychiatric characteristics of double agents are similar to those politicians who might sell out their countryhttps://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/Observations-on-Double-Agent.pdf

 

 

"Experience sugests that some people who take to the double agent

role-perhaps a majority of willing ones, in fact have a number of traits in

common with the con-man. Psychiatrists describe such persons as

sociopaths. From the point of view of the double agent operation, here

are their key traits:"

 

"They are unusually calm and stable under stress but cannot

tolerate routine or boredom.

They do not form lasting and adult emotional relationships with

other people because their attitude toward others is exploitative.

They have above-average intelligence. They are good verbalizers-

sometimes in two or more languages.

They are skeptical and even cynical about the motives and abilitiesy a ep ynic

of others but have exagerated notions about their own

competence.

Their reliability as agents is largely determined by the extent to

which the case officer's instructions coincide with what they

consider their own best interests.

They are ambitious only in a short range sense: they want much

and they want it now. They do not have the patience to plod

toward a distant reward.

They are naturally clandestine and enjoy secrecy and deception for

its own sake."  

 

Source:  CIA

Edited Wednesday at 07:32 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[JDHillFan]

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time to reevaluate the meds

[B-Man]

 

 

Did you take the red pill of the blue pill?

 

If you took the red pill, you would be forced to live in the real world where things are messy, the truth is hard to swallow, and you are condemned to live in freedom with all its pains and pleasures.

 

If you take the blue pill, you can live in blissful ignorance of the fact that you are a slave totally manipulated by people indifferent to your well-being and your fate.

 

Newsweek chose the blue pill.

 

Ukraine is Schrödinger's democracy. As long as we don't measure whether Zelenskyy is democratically supported by his population, we can pretend that he is the legitimately elected leader of a democratic regime. 

 

Zelenskyy was legitimately elected, but his term was to have expired last year. He is currently empowered by martial law to remain in power, and implicitly by the fact that the US government pays all Ukraine's bills, including the salaries of the government, the budget for the military, the pensions, the media, the...everything. Zelenskyy is an American satrap. 

 

I am not saying that to insult Zelenskyy. It is simply a fact. You may even think it is a good thing, and I certainly think that the current situation is at least better than having Putin own the whole damn country. 

 

But this is not "democracy." Any argument that it is is a joke. 

 

Now, I don't know whether Vladimir Zelenskyy would win an election in Ukraine if it were held today, and neither does anybody else. I wouldn't rule it out, although as the Free Press article linked above shows, the news we are getting out of the country is paid propaganda funded by USAID. None of it is real.

 

Zelenskyy has goon squads kidnapping and torturing people to make them go to the front. He is arresting and beating reporters for telling people this. Using our tax dollars. Our tax dollars are being used to suppress that fact because the transnational elite wants that war to go on seemingly forever. 

 

It is within the realm of possibility that some people in Ukraine might object to that and want a different leader or even want the killing to stop. An election might give us insight into this question, you might think. 

 

But, as Newsweek points out, "there are concerns that the Ukrainian president might be voted out of office if the country holds an election."

 

So I guess that the best path forward to preserve democracy there shouldn't be an election. 

 

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2025/02/19/yes-newsweek-really-did-say-that-out-loud-n3799971

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

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time to reevaluate the meds

Niagara Bill seems stable as a rock 

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Did you take the red pill of the blue pill?

 

If you took the red pill, you would be forced to live in the real world where things are messy, the truth is hard to swallow, and you are condemned to live in freedom with all its pains and pleasures.

 

If you take the blue pill, you can live in blissful ignorance of the fact that you are a slave totally manipulated by people indifferent to your well-being and your fate.

 

Newsweek chose the blue pill.

 

Ukraine is Schrödinger's democracy. As long as we don't measure whether Zelenskyy is democratically supported by his population, we can pretend that he is the legitimately elected leader of a democratic regime. 

 

Zelenskyy was legitimately elected, but his term was to have expired last year. He is currently empowered by martial law to remain in power, and implicitly by the fact that the US government pays all Ukraine's bills, including the salaries of the government, the budget for the military, the pensions, the media, the...everything. Zelenskyy is an American satrap. 

 

I am not saying that to insult Zelenskyy. It is simply a fact. You may even think it is a good thing, and I certainly think that the current situation is at least better than having Putin own the whole damn country. 

 

But this is not "democracy." Any argument that it is is a joke. 

 

Now, I don't know whether Vladimir Zelenskyy would win an election in Ukraine if it were held today, and neither does anybody else. I wouldn't rule it out, although as the Free Press article linked above shows, the news we are getting out of the country is paid propaganda funded by USAID. None of it is real.

 

Zelenskyy has goon squads kidnapping and torturing people to make them go to the front. He is arresting and beating reporters for telling people this. Using our tax dollars. Our tax dollars are being used to suppress that fact because the transnational elite wants that war to go on seemingly forever. 

 

It is within the realm of possibility that some people in Ukraine might object to that and want a different leader or even want the killing to stop. An election might give us insight into this question, you might think. 

 

But, as Newsweek points out, "there are concerns that the Ukrainian president might be voted out of office if the country holds an election."

 

So I guess that the best path forward to preserve democracy there shouldn't be an election. 

 

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2025/02/19/yes-newsweek-really-did-say-that-out-loud-n3799971

Cool how you made that vile load of bs appear to be from Newsweek at first glance. Good try, Grasshopper 

[B-Man]

 

 

                                  

 

 

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[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

18 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Did you take the red pill of the blue pill?

 

If you took the red pill, you would be forced to live in the real world where things are messy, the truth is hard to swallow, and you are condemned to live in freedom with all its pains and pleasures.

 

If you take the blue pill, you can live in blissful ignorance of the fact that you are a slave totally manipulated by people indifferent to your well-being and your fate.

 

Newsweek chose the blue pill.

 

Ukraine is Schrödinger's democracy. As long as we don't measure whether Zelenskyy is democratically supported by his population, we can pretend that he is the legitimately elected leader of a democratic regime. 

 

Zelenskyy was legitimately elected, but his term was to have expired last year. He is currently empowered by martial law to remain in power, and implicitly by the fact that the US government pays all Ukraine's bills, including the salaries of the government, the budget for the military, the pensions, the media, the...everything. Zelenskyy is an American satrap. 

 

I am not saying that to insult Zelenskyy. It is simply a fact. You may even think it is a good thing, and I certainly think that the current situation is at least better than having Putin own the whole damn country. 

 

But this is not "democracy." Any argument that it is is a joke. 

 

Now, I don't know whether Vladimir Zelenskyy would win an election in Ukraine if it were held today, and neither does anybody else. I wouldn't rule it out, although as the Free Press article linked above shows, the news we are getting out of the country is paid propaganda funded by USAID. None of it is real.

 

Zelenskyy has goon squads kidnapping and torturing people to make them go to the front. He is arresting and beating reporters for telling people this. Using our tax dollars. Our tax dollars are being used to suppress that fact because the transnational elite wants that war to go on seemingly forever. 

 

It is within the realm of possibility that some people in Ukraine might object to that and want a different leader or even want the killing to stop. An election might give us insight into this question, you might think. 

 

But, as Newsweek points out, "there are concerns that the Ukrainian president might be voted out of office if the country holds an election."

 

So I guess that the best path forward to preserve democracy there shouldn't be an election. 

 

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2025/02/19/yes-newsweek-really-did-say-that-out-loud-n3799971

Oh no, he might lose election, like most politicians in free societies 

 

MAGA is aroused 

13 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

                                  

 

 

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Oh Putin good, Ukraine bad

 

Ya, Putin isn't holding something over Trump's head 

On 2/18/2025 at 12:23 PM, Taro T said:

 

Nah, the powers that be in that party know that's not the reason.  But they still hope to keep the plebes believing that, so they keep shouting it.

Oh look, Doc and Dumber think they got it figured out. How cute 

 

Quote

 

Volodymyr Zelensky is a “cornered rat”, according to one of Vladimir Putin’s closest allies, ex-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

After Donald Trump turned against the Kyiv president, the Ukrainian leader could set off a nuclear dirty bomb, baselessly claimed Medvedev, who is now a top Kremlin security official.

His rant came as Russian propaganda went into overdrive capitalising on links between Trump and Putin by demanding a “military coalition” of Washington and Moscow to “divide Europe to hell”.

 

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/164106/putin-believes-winning-war-ukraine-trump-us

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

26 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

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time to reevaluate the meds

Too bad there is a pill to fix stupid, you missed out 

What a complete POS Trump is. Just a real garbage person 

 

Harris easily would have been better. She is much smarter and saner than Trump 

 

 

No word about Trump's friend though 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

31 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

Too bad there is a pill to fix stupid, you missed out 

What a complete POS Trump is. Just a real garbage person 

 

Harris easily would have been better. She is much smarter and saner than Trump 

 

 

No word about Trump's friend though 

 

 

All those years and he still looks the same ugly cossack.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

All those years and he still looks the same ugly cossack.

You just hurt some MAGA's feelings saying that about their patron saint dictators 

[4th&long]

2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Joe, I do not think Doc is a cult member...he is a thinking man, and as prove comes out he will recognize it. 

No. There is less to Doc them you think. A lot less! He is the same brain washed cult member as the rest of them are.