Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[snafu]

10 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

I suppose the argument is going to be that Biden couldn’t un-do all the damage that the prior administration did, no matter how hard he tried.  

 

[Tiberius]

Gen Ben Hodges talking about opening a land bridge into Ukraine to bring military supplies to the resistance. Good! 

 

 

[aristocrat]

 

 

lol

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, snafu said:

I suppose the argument is going to be that Biden couldn’t un-do all the damage that the prior administration did, no matter how hard he tried.  

 

Of course.  It can't be Joey's fault that he's a senile clown who Putin probably help get elected just so he could do this.

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Of course.  It can't be Joey's fault that he's a senile clown who Putin probably help get elected just so he could do this.

Trump paved the way

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

Trump paved the way

You have to wonder what help him and CIA director Pompeo gave to Putin. I mean that guy was in charge of our spy agency? 

[BillStime]

Trump received the transition plan from Russia via Manafort. 

 

But democracy prevailed and voted the traitor out.

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Trump paved the way

You are completely wrong.  Trump's presidency delayed this outcome by 4 years.  Obama established the conditions for this conflict through the State Department and CIA orchestrated Maiden protests and the coup against former President Yanukovych.  And installed the current government in Kiev.  Zelensky's current administration, just as corrupt as the previous administration but answering to Washington rather than Moscow.   

 

All verified by recorded conversations between then under secretary of State Victoria Nuland and European counterparts.  Nuland coincidentally, is back with the Biden administration in the in a similar role.  

 

You should give up blaming Trump here.  The shelf life on that has expired.  Its sounds like a pathetic excuse that losers use when they can't cope with a problem.  And recall Crimea was annexed during the 2nd Obama term and they did nothing. 

[John Adams]

12 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Trump received the transition plan from Russia via Manafort. 

 

But democracy prevailed and voted the traitor out.

 

Grow up and stop being a disgusting human being. 

 

This isn't about Trump or Biden. 

 

Try being an American for a change. 

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

You are completely wrong.  Trump's presidency delayed this outcome by 4 years.  Obama established the conditions for this conflict through the State Department and CIA orchestrated Maiden protests and the coup against former President Yanukovych.  And installed the current government in Kiev.  Zelensky's current administration, just as corrupt as the previous administration but answering to Washington rather than Moscow.   

 

All verified by recorded conversations between then under secretary of State Victoria Nuland and European counterparts.  Nuland coincidentally, is back with the Biden administration in the in a similar role.  

 

You should give up blaming Trump here.  The shelf life on that has expired.  Its sounds like a pathetic excuse that losers use when they can't cope with a problem.  And recall Crimea was annexed during the 2nd Obama term and they did nothing. 

 

See above.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

37 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Or the goal is much bigger, to fracture the US. Are Russian bots "on both sides" trying to spark a civil war yet? Cause that's what Russian bots do, pose as left leaning and right leaning people and steer the most incendiary conversations they can. 

 

As real people, we need to stop mimicking that behavior. If you're a Republican and looking to take back both houses in the fall, have at it. Just please don't treat your fellow American like the enemy... And vice versa...

I with you. I don’t want red or blue waves. I want balance of power back and moderates to run the show. 

31 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

 

lol

What a fraud this guy is. 

[John Adams]

10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I with you. I don’t want red or blue waves. I want balance of power back and moderates to run the show. 

 

 

We will see. The Blue and Red folk here are not currently encouraging but they are also not, thankfully, an accurate cross section through society. 

 

For people to think this war is a Red or Blue issue is another Putin victory. 

Edited February 24, 2022 by John Adams

[Jauronimo]

5 hours ago, John Adams said:

Nice thread.

 

Putin starts a war. Posters here attack the president.

 

Irv is right. PPP is a mess.

I thought there might be some discussion of this little thing going on in Russia here but its still the same Biden vs. Trump mud wrestling as every other thread.  And one guy freaking out about masks and covid.  

[wjag]

Sad day for Ukraine and the world. 

[Process]

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

24 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You are completely wrong.  Trump's presidency delayed this outcome by 4 years.  Obama established the conditions for this conflict through the State Department and CIA orchestrated Maiden protests and the coup against former President Yanukovych.  And installed the current government in Kiev.  Zelensky's current administration, just as corrupt as the previous administration but answering to Washington rather than Moscow.   

 

All verified by recorded conversations between then under secretary of State Victoria Nuland and European counterparts.  Nuland coincidentally, is back with the Biden administration in the in a similar role.  

 

You should give up blaming Trump here.  The shelf life on that has expired.  Its sounds like a pathetic excuse that losers use when they can't cope with a problem.  And recall Crimea was annexed during the 2nd Obama term and they did nothing. 

There are some key facts here. Taking the bias or slant out of this, there is a real fundamental list of questions here.

 

Why did Crimea happen when it did and what did it have to do with us foreign policy at the time?

 

Why did the past administration get labeled as Putin lapdog or asset, while at the same time the Ukraine Russia tension did not fundamentally change?

 

Why, weeks after the new regime entered did Russia start building military presence on the Ukraine  border and why are they now doing this?  

 

some more unsettling points:

- Putin is calling Ukraine govt a puppet us government 

- China is officially ok with what’s going on. 

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Coffeesforclosers]

10 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

We will see. The Blue and Red folk here are not currently encouraging but they are also not, thankfully, an accurate cross section through society. 

 

For people to think this war is a Red or Blue issue is another Putin victory. 

 

Best thing said in this thread so far. 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers

[TH3]

22 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You are completely wrong.  Trump's presidency delayed this outcome by 4 years.  Obama established the conditions for this conflict through the State Department and CIA orchestrated Maiden protests and the coup against former President Yanukovych.  And installed the current government in Kiev.  Zelensky's current administration, just as corrupt as the previous administration but answering to Washington rather than Moscow.   

 

All verified by recorded conversations between then under secretary of State Victoria Nuland and European counterparts.  Nuland coincidentally, is back with the Biden administration in the in a similar role.  

 

You should give up blaming Trump here.  The shelf life on that has expired.  Its sounds like a pathetic excuse that losers use when they can't cope with a problem.  And recall Crimea was annexed during the 2nd Obama term and they did nothing. 

LOL…too late to blame Trump…but never to late to blame Obama….classic cultist🤣

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, TH3 said:

LOL…too late to blame Trump…but never to late to blame Obama….classic cultist🤣

My purpose was to set some historical context which some choose to ignore.

 

[Westside]

52 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You have to wonder what help him and CIA director Pompeo gave to Putin. I mean that guy was in charge of our spy agency? 

You sound a lot like the KGB. Turning on citizens who disagree with you.

[BillStime]

38 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

Grow up and stop being a disgusting human being. 

 

This isn't about Trump or Biden. 

 

Try being an American for a change. 

 

See above.

The guy who authored a thread titled “The S--t-poster game” just took the gold.

 

Congrats