sherpa Posted August 7 Posted August 7 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: but your a fighter pilot or a patriot battery commander and I’m wrong. Cool. Yes to the first premise. Not the second, though I have flown against it's earlier derivatives, and am quite familiar with it. I am also very familiar with Amraam and Russian derivatives. Edited August 7 by sherpa 2
B-Man Posted August 7 Posted August 7 1 hour ago, Starr-Bills said: Bleed the Russians white, Meanwhile the Ukrainian people bleed too.
Tiberius Posted August 7 Author Posted August 7 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Meanwhile the Ukrainian people bleed too. Abd you care about that....sure
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 8 Posted August 8 11 hours ago, Tiberius said: So if Trump wins the election what do all these Trump cannot be allowed to win chaps plan on doing?
Tiberius Posted August 8 Author Posted August 8 5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: So if Trump wins the election what do all these Trump cannot be allowed to win chaps plan on doing? With an executive who has no fear of prosecution, that's a good question. Trump will probably go after them one way or another.
Tiberius Posted August 8 Author Posted August 8 --- This is a good open source report on the F-16's impact--or lack thereof--in Ukraine https://www.businessinsider.com/missiles-on-ukraines-f-16s-hint-at-missions-against-russia-2024-8
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 8 Posted August 8 14 hours ago, Starr-Bills said: So you didn’t miss leaving it out of your comment then. Okay Francis. The F-16’s are equipped with 4 AIM 120’s (c or d) which is an air to air missile. Range 80-120 km. They also have a vastly improved radar over the migs and sus that they have been flying. Specifically to take on ru air. And yes the Russian airforce are inept, but they were able to bomb the ***** out of Ukraine. The 16’s will, in combination with a patriots, be more than able to push the Russian air power out of the immediate area of the advance. but you’re a fighter pilot or a patriot battery commander and I’m wrong. Cool. Sherpa has been forthcoming on his experience, consistently over time, and over several different topics on the main board and ppp. I may have missed your background if you shared, do you have military training, background in leadership/planning?
Tiberius Posted August 8 Author Posted August 8 This general claims it will only take four months to train Ukrainian pilots to fly F-16's
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 8 Posted August 8 46 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: I’ve worked in advertising and marketing for 5 of the 6 major media corps. I have presented to the highest levels on their strategy and direction. I was on the leadership team of a health care start up sponsored by a national insurer and one of these media companies. I have also read military history, and war gamed for 40+ years. Not video gamed, war gamed like planing the longest day in high school. Personally I decided that military service was too dangerous in the modern battle field (in the late 80’s) to serve. I think the experience in Ukraine bears this out. i keep current on things, and have friend who have worked at RAND. I have friend who flew 15s (too boring) and jolly green giants for the airforce search and rescue. My neighbor a marine Lt Col retired thought me how to shoot. expert no, knowledgeable yes. Also I think you will notice I am persuadable with evidence and willing to laugh at myself is I make a typo (‘cause I really just can’t spell, still). no I have not read 25,000 (guess) posts to know who all the players are and what their resume is. My impression is Sherpa is more than capable in making his points and ‘defending’ himself. Appreciate his experience, I’m new (which he which he divined to his credit) he could have dropped in a “as a former fighter pilot you’re using air superiority wrong. And technically he is correct F-16s are multi role fighters and F15/F22/Su27-35 are “air superiority” fighters. It’s fine he’s directly and can’t blame him for dropping in with the sun behind him. additionally I have been following the Russian invasion of Ukraine daily for the last 2 1/2+ years. News, open source, lectures etc. expert maybe not but informed. why? Because I believe this is an existential struggle between liberal democracy (and to an extent US hegemony) vs. authoritarian/ multinational crime states. Is the US perfect, nope, but the alternative is much much worse. I prefer being able to vote, to influence the direction my country (and the world) vs the tech bros or the Russian mob or the Chinese communist party. finally I also believe is civilian leadership of the military, this is not starship troopers or Sparta. My post wasn't intended to imply you didn't have bona fide credentials, I was simply asking. I wasn't defending Sherpa, I was simply pointing out that he's shared his experience/experiences over time. One of the reasons I frequent the board is to get other perspectives, and often those perspectives are unvarnished and removed from the pesky civility of everyday life. That can be painful if one is a sensitive soul, feelings can get hurt, or posts misinterpreted. I don't think you fit into that category, it's just a general observation. I have no military training, no deep understanding of military capability or technological advances, nor much to offer on the obviously complicated relationship between citizens of Ukraine and citizens of Russia. I do, I believe, have a pretty decent understanding of human nature and have come to realize that when our nation's leaders suggest "Country X is good!", "Country Y is bad!", we may not be getting the full, accurate story. Thanks for the response. At first blush, my thought is that the experience you've outlined here loosely translates to 'informed in a manner similar to the way people on the main board offer commentary about players, schemes, coaches and GMs'. That's not a knock, just an observation--but your commitment to learning what you can, and the time invested is admirable. I haven't done that, likely won't anytime soon, and in that regard, Star > Leh-nerd. True, I know how to spell 'patriot', but how many times is that going to carry the day in a debate? 1
sherpa Posted August 8 Posted August 8 2 hours ago, Starr-Bills said: I’ve worked in advertising and marketing for 5 of the 6 major media corps. I have presented to the highest levels on their strategy and direction. I was on the leadership team of a health care start up sponsored by a national insurer and one of these media companies. I have also read military history, and war gamed for 40+ years. Not video gamed, war gamed like planing the longest day in high school. This isn't a competition. I have no problem with opposing views. What I do comment on is when people express views, specifically suggesting political influence without regard or knowledge, on items I am familiar with. I don't enjoy look at me stuff. I had been here for ten years before ever mentioning my experience in this, and only did so when someone here accused me of being a coward. I casually mentioned that I had over 300 carrier landings, and while that doesn't mark anything, it does kind of suggest you are not a "coward." I am a topgun grnduate and served as an adversary instructor, teaching US Navy, Air Force pilots air combat, specifically against Russian tactics. My issue with this is that an airplane, the F-16 in this case, is not the determining factor. The links provided, always sourced by people who didn't do this for a living, erroneously place aircraft capability as the determining factor, and that is nonsense. It is always about training, coordination and mutual contribution that determines the outcome. The F-16 is a great airplane. I have fought many engagements against it. Lethal when flown in the right environment. The claim that it can be flown well after four months of training is simply not true. If it flies within/under the Russian SAM defenses, it will not go well. If it fights against Russian fighters that are outside that protection, it could go very well, with AMRAAM. Anyway, the post is long enough, but I want to bring up one example, from my experience. When the Saudis bought the F-15, they opted to contract for training against US adversaries. I did that. They were totally useless. Total waste of time. THE F-15 is a tremendous air superiority platform, totally wasted on them. Anyway, the bottom line assessment of the Ukraine thing brings one point home, without doubt. The Russian Air Force, with all it's advanced equipment, has been exposed as a failure. Using a small number of F-16's might help, but the battle is on the ground for now. If the Ukrainians were able to get Russian ground forces outside of their SAM protection umbrella, using the F-16 in an air-ground mode would be an extremely important development, because it will slaughter Russian ground troops. 2 1
Tiberius Posted August 9 Author Posted August 9 Very interesting on Ukraine's drone developments https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/07/02/ukraine-fields-fpv-interceptor-drones-at-speed/ 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted August 9 Posted August 9 It's an interesting switch in tactics seeing Ukrainian forces attack Russia/Russian civilians vs military installations. 1
Tiberius Posted August 9 Author Posted August 9 25 minutes ago, Doc said: WWIII, here we come… But not Putin's fault!! Only blame elected politicians of the world for this 1
Doc Posted August 9 Posted August 9 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: But not Putin's fault!! Only blame elected politicians of the world for this No one said it’s not his fault. Stop with that feint. 1
Tiberius Posted August 9 Author Posted August 9 1 minute ago, Doc said: No one said it’s not his fault. Stop with that feint. But more Biden's fault than anyone's, according to you 1
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