ChiGoose Posted April 21 Posted April 21 41 minutes ago, aristocrat said: How many more years of war, dollars or deaths until you change your mind on the war? How do you think this ends if we don’t aid Ukraine? What do you think happens if Russia takes over Ukraine?
L Ron Burgundy Posted April 21 Posted April 21 27 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: How do you think this ends if we don’t aid Ukraine? What do you think happens if Russia takes over Ukraine? Some people are all complaint no solution.
Doc Posted April 21 Posted April 21 36 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: How do you think this ends if we don’t aid Ukraine? What do you think happens if Russia takes over Ukraine? Why don't you tell us since you guys seem to know everything that's going to happen.
B-Man Posted April 21 Posted April 21 39 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: How do you think this ends if we don’t aid Ukraine? What do you think happens if Russia takes over Ukraine? Well, since the Ukraine was one of the members of the USSR for 40 years, I would expect there to be no big change. Especially to US citizens. BUT, keep trying to whip up the war. You are in the minority. . 1
Tiberius Posted April 21 Author Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well, since the Ukraine was one of the members of the USSR for 40 years, I would expect there to be no big change. Especially to US citizens. BUT, keep trying to whip up the war. You are in the minority. . Maybe there’s a reason they got divorced from the USSR You remember the Evil Empire?
Doc Posted April 21 Posted April 21 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well, since the Ukraine was one of the members of the USSR for 40 years and not a member of NATO, I would expect there to be no big change. Especially to US citizens. BUT, keep trying to whip up the war. You are in the minority. The first sentence (plus my addition) is why there will be nothing further. As I said earlier, Putin can barely takeover a non-NATO country. Meanwhile every other country bordering his (in Europe) is a NATO country save Georgia, which may be fast-tracked.
aristocrat Posted April 21 Posted April 21 51 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: How do you think this ends if we don’t aid Ukraine? What do you think happens if Russia takes over Ukraine? the same way it seems to be going right now. it's been two years and no end in sight. ukraine has had about 400k casualties from the war in two years. look, we all agree russia shouldn't have invaded them but they did. now you have to make a choice of what's best for the future of ukraine. do you negoitate a peace deal where russia keeps part of ukraine so the rebuilding of the country can begin? or just keep throwing good money into the country and 2-5 years from now they lose most of their population who are of age to work and have families and so on? it would be a cool story if ukraine managed to beat russia but reality is starting to hit home and it seems the odds of that are getting slimmer by the month. we thought taking the oligarchs money would work, we thought putin was dying, we thought the people of russia would revolt, russia would run out of money etc. none of which has worked. it's just an endless war at this point. 1 2
B-Man Posted April 21 Posted April 21 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Maybe there’s a reason they got divorced from the USSR You remember the Evil Empire? You are applying your own feelings again Tibsy. I didn't say that it was a good thing if Russia takes over the Ukraine. NO ONE thinks that it is. BUT, it is NOT a "domino", it is NOT a huge problem for the American people. Take your "Putin Fear" someplace else. Adults want the war to end. . 1
ChiGoose Posted April 21 Posted April 21 27 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well, since the Ukraine was one of the members of the USSR for 40 years, I would expect there to be no big change. Especially to US citizens. BUT, keep trying to whip up the war. You are in the minority. . I guess not wanting broader war is being pro-war now. Advocating to allow a revanchist country to run roughshod over any country they want is anti-war now. Weird world you all live in.
Doc Posted April 21 Posted April 21 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: I guess not wanting broader war is being pro-war now. Advocating to allow a revanchist country to run roughshod over any country they want is anti-war now. Weird world you all live in.
ChiGoose Posted April 21 Posted April 21 (edited) Russia invades Chechnya: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Chechnya again: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Georgia: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Ukraine: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Ukraine again: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russian leaders say that Latvia is like Ukraine because it doesn’t exist and that other former USSR countries in Europe were actually part of Russia while Russian separatists control land in Moldova: surely they don’t mean it Edited April 21 by ChiGoose 2
B-Man Posted April 21 Posted April 21 6 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I guess not wanting broader war is being pro-war now. Advocating to allow a revanchist country to run roughshod over any country they want is anti-war now. Weird world you all live in. Again. Not what I said. It's almost like you assume what others are thinking and then speak for them. You know, what you claimed everyone on the right was doing.
L Ron Burgundy Posted April 21 Posted April 21 34 minutes ago, B-Man said: Well, since the Ukraine was one of the members of the USSR for 40 years, I would expect there to be no big change. Especially to US citizens. BUT, keep trying to whip up the war. You are in the minority. . The fact they are fighting so hard does seem to indicate it would be a pretty big change and one they clearly don't want.
ChiGoose Posted April 21 Posted April 21 1 minute ago, B-Man said: Again. Not what I said. It's almost like you assume what others are thinking and then speak for them. You know, what you claimed everyone on the right was doing. You literally said I was trying to whip up war. You don’t believe that whipping up war is pro-war?
Doc Posted April 21 Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Russia invades Chechnya: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Chechnya again: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Georgia: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Ukraine: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russia invades Ukraine again: surely they won’t do anything like this again Russian leaders say that Latvia is like Ukraine because it doesn’t exist and that other former USSR countries in Europe were actually part of Russia while Russian separatists control land in Moldova: surely they don’t mean it Latvia's a NATO country. Good luck there. Moldova says they want permanent neutrality, but if Ukraine falls, that will likely change and NATO will admit them immediately.
Tiberius Posted April 21 Author Posted April 21 23 minutes ago, B-Man said: You are applying your own feelings again Tibsy. I didn't say that it was a good thing if Russia takes over the Ukraine. NO ONE thinks that it is. BUT, it is NOT a "domino", it is NOT a huge problem for the American people. Take your "Putin Fear" someplace else. Adults want the war to end. . You said it was no big change. Going from a free society to Putin’s dictatorship is no big deal? Whatever! Meanwhile, if any gun law gets passed here, you scream “tyranny”!! 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 21 Posted April 21 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You said it was no big change. Going from a free society to Putin’s dictatorship is no big deal There is no free society or democracy in Ukraine. Hasn't been for a while 1 1 1
Tiberius Posted April 21 Author Posted April 21 38 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: There is no free society or democracy in Ukraine. Hasn't been for a while They are a free republic. Stop lying 1 1
L Ron Burgundy Posted April 21 Posted April 21 39 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: There is no free society or democracy in Ukraine. Hasn't been for a while Yes there will be a democratic utopia with Russian tanks in Kiev. Another stellar take that likely originated in Moscow. 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 21 Posted April 21 37 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Yes there will be a democratic utopia with Russian tanks in Kiev. Another stellar take that likely originated in Moscow. The kiev federal capital stood till Ukraine drone attack on kremlin. It's like your goal is escalation 1 1
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