Coffeesforclosers Posted February 18 Posted February 18 (edited) 8 hours ago, aristocrat said: none.but that’s not what I said. You've expressed a bunch of opinions, and you agree with me on the one point i wanted to discuss. So what do you want to talk about next? Edited February 18 by Coffeesforclosers
John from Riverside Posted February 18 Posted February 18 8 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: So the fate of the world and human civilizations is dependent on the outcome of the conflict in Ukraine? A place on Earth no American cared about until a few years ago. Thst's one possibility but I could generate lots of other potential outcomes most of which are more plausible. I recall previous experts issuing similiiar dire warnings in the Vietnam era. I am not understanding your comment Just because your Carmen US citizen didn’t know anything about Ukraine doesn’t mean the United States didn’t we have been supporting them for years against Russia It’s a focal point due to its proximity to nato borders I think Tucker Carlson is an idiot, but one thing that that interview with Putin did do was allow Putin to speak out on exactly what he felt about the countries that Ukraine borders on this will not stop with Ukraine if they win
Tiberius Posted February 19 Author Posted February 19 Great article on how Silicon Valley has turned 180 degrees away from its pacifist stance and is fully committed in human capital, finance and organization to create the tools of the trade to fight authoritarian governments. Sam Houston said before the Civil War that the northern people are not a hot tempered people, but when angered they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche. Yes https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/02/17/silicon-valley-military-tech-defense-contractors/ 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 19 Posted February 19 16 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I am not understanding your comment Just because your Carmen US citizen didn’t know anything about Ukraine doesn’t mean the United States didn’t we have been supporting them for years against Russia It’s a focal point due to its proximity to nato borders I think Tucker Carlson is an idiot, but one thing that that interview with Putin did do was allow Putin to speak out on exactly what he felt about the countries that Ukraine borders on this will not stop with Ukraine if they win I'm saying the outcome of the conflict in Ukraine is not going to alter the course of world events and history. Your life, my life will not be impacted. History will see it as an insignificant regional conflict like the 100's of other regional conflicts nobody remembers 100 years from now. And as Vietnam didn't lead to the domino theory every war hawk of the era peddled as an excuse to send some 1/2 million troops and 50K+ American servicemen to their deaths this isn't going to lead to some Russian invasion of Europe. For the life of me I can't determine just exactly what anyone thinks those European countries have that Putin would want? Resources? More land? Both claims are dubious. Even in the remote event that Ukraine prevails it will be what's referred to as a "Pyrrhic Victory". 2
Doc Posted February 19 Posted February 19 9 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I'm saying the outcome of the conflict in Ukraine is not going to alter the course of world events and history. Your life, my life will not be impacted. History will see it as an insignificant regional conflict like the 100's of other regional conflicts nobody remembers 100 years from now. And as Vietnam didn't lead to the domino theory every war hawk of the era peddled as an excuse to send some 1/2 million troops and 50K+ American servicemen to their deaths this isn't going to lead to some Russian invasion of Europe. For the life of me I can't determine just exactly what anyone thinks those European countries have that Putin would want? Resources? More land? Both claims are dubious. Even in the remote event that Ukraine prevails it will be what's referred to as a "Pyrrhic Victory". Yeah but this time will be different. Once Russia conquers Ukraine, the rest of the World is next! 1
John from Riverside Posted February 19 Posted February 19 14 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I'm saying the outcome of the conflict in Ukraine is not going to alter the course of world events and history. Your life, my life will not be impacted. History will see it as an insignificant regional conflict like the 100's of other regional conflicts nobody remembers 100 years from now. And as Vietnam didn't lead to the domino theory every war hawk of the era peddled as an excuse to send some 1/2 million troops and 50K+ American servicemen to their deaths this isn't going to lead to some Russian invasion of Europe. For the life of me I can't determine just exactly what anyone thinks those European countries have that Putin would want? Resources? More land? Both claims are dubious. Even in the remote event that Ukraine prevails it will be what's referred to as a "Pyrrhic Victory". You obviously have not been listening to Putin talk Just keep your head stuck in the sand that’s what you’re good at 1 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 19 Posted February 19 26 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You obviously have not been listening to Putin talk Just keep your head stuck in the sand that’s what you’re good at I'm curious how all the experts on Russia and the inner workings of Putin's mind that are suddenly appearing everywhere, that believe the get the band back together theory can explain exactly how they're going to pull off that feat? And what are they waiting for? And what do they want? Maybe its the NATO officials that need to perpetuate their reason for existing (there's only one!) and the usual suspects lathered up at any prospect of engaging any war they can find while experiencing the constant humiliating defeats at the hands of peasants and goat herders. 1
John from Riverside Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Just now, All_Pro_Bills said: I'm curious how all the experts on Russia and the inner workings of Putin's mind that are suddenly appearing everywhere, that believe the get the band back together theory can explain exactly how they're going to pull off that feat? And what are they waiting for? And what do they want? Maybe its the NATO officials that need to perpetuate their reason for existing (there's only one!) and the usual suspects lathered up at any prospect of engaging any war they can find while experiencing the constant humiliating defeats at the hands of peasants and goat herders. Putin Loves you don’t change a thing
Doc Posted February 19 Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I'm curious how all the experts on Russia and the inner workings of Putin's mind that are suddenly appearing everywhere, that believe the get the band back together theory can explain exactly how they're going to pull off that feat? And what are they waiting for? And what do they want? Maybe its the NATO officials that need to perpetuate their reason for existing (there's only one!) and the usual suspects lathered up at any prospect of engaging any war they can find while experiencing the constant humiliating defeats at the hands of peasants and goat herders. They don't know and can't answer that. But they're sure it's going to happen. Just like Trump becoming a dictator this time around. 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 19 Posted February 19 15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Putin Loves you don’t change a thing How old are u? Seriously 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 19 Posted February 19 24 minutes ago, BillStime said: Here's what annoys me. These guys look like able bodied young men. If they're so hot for the war why don't they get their asses to the front? I mean, the fate of the entire world hangs on the outcome of this conflict. Right? What more noble cause that this? 1 1
BillStime Posted February 19 Posted February 19 10 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Here's what annoys me. These guys look like able bodied young men. If they're so hot for the war why don't they get their asses to the front? I mean, the fate of the entire world hangs on the outcome of this conflict. Right? What more noble cause that this? So, THAT's what annoys you. Not Putin invading a sovereign country. Got it. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 19 Posted February 19 1 minute ago, BillStime said: So, THAT's what annoys you. Not Putin invading a sovereign country. Got it. Yah, that's what annoys me. All these candy ass sissies urging on the war that can take it into their own hands and do some of the fighting. Like these NATO guys who are saying exactly what they're expected to say. Why don't you go too? 1 1
BillStime Posted February 19 Posted February 19 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Yah, that's what annoys me. All these candy ass sissies urging on the war that can take it into their own hands and do some of the fighting. Like these NATO guys who are saying exactly what they're expected to say. Why don't you go too? My tax dollars represent me. Why don't you consider joining Putin's army? 1 1
US Egg Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 4 hours ago, Doc said: They don't know and can't answer that. But they're sure it's going to happen. Just like Trump becoming a dictator this time around. That, and start a war with…..well, Joe took care of that. Edited February 19 by US Egg
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Just keep your head stuck in the sand that’s what you’re good at his head is stuck up putin's arse. He's a good little comrade. 22 hours ago, ChiGoose said: There's also a populist isolationist movement rising in America that would have us turn away from the world. ~80 years after we built a global ecosystem with us at the top, many in America would rather cede that responsibility to China or whoever else would grab it. MAGA's don't care. The system as it is now configured isn't working for them. It's all about me, myself and I to them. They don't see it getting worse for them when another country takes our place as the leading superpower. Their handlers tell them it'll be fine. And they're not smart enough to see global implications. meanwhile the MAGA's here continue to cheer for economic disaster. As if it won't hurt them more than most. the grass is always greener on the other side? "As of June 2023, the average annual salary in Russia is around 1,240,000 RUB, which is roughly USD 14,771." Edited February 19 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 19 Posted February 19 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: his head is stuck up putin's arse. He's a good little comrade. MAGA's don't care. The system as it is now configured isn't working for them. It's all about me, myself and I to them. They don't see it getting worse for them when another country takes our place as the leading superpower. Their handlers tell them it'll be fine. And they're not smart enough to see global implications. meanwhile the MAGA's here continue to cheer for economic disaster. As if it won't hurt them more than most. You should lay off the sauce. 1 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 19 Posted February 19 23 minutes ago, BillStime said: My tax dollars represent me. Why don't you consider joining Putin's army? he has. psyops... 2 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: You should lay off the sauce. you should argue the points.
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