Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Westside]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

There is no black or white.

 

Either you support democracy or you don’t.
 

Putin HATES our way of life and wants to ensure his people and interests get no taste of the checks and balances of democracy over his power. 

 

It’s that simple.

 

 

 

 

You sound and act a lot like Putin. You want to destroy and jail anyone with a different opinions than yourself. 
 

Also, Ukrain is not a democracy, I hate to break it to you. They just had political opponents jailed for having a different opinion on how to run the country. Much like you want to do to the other side. Shameless  

[Demongyz]

7 minutes ago, Westside said:

You sound and act a lot like Putin. You want to destroy and jail anyone with a different opinions than yourself. 
 

Also, Ukrain is not a democracy, I hate to break it to you. They just had political opponents jailed for having a different opinion on how to run the country. Much like you want to do to the other side. Shameless  

Sounds a lot like the US and Canada these days.

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Drones won’t need carriers 

If I'm deployed to the front lines here I'm not really comfortable with your plan.  Drones can be easily shot down by conventional air defenses.  S-400's for example.  And drones are controlled and launched from somewhere.  These locations will be viewed as legitimate military targets by the enemy along with any supporting infrastructure and assets. 

 

You should think this through further.  And remember one critical element of warfare.  When you shoot at the enemy they shoot back.  While you can kill them they can also kill you.  

 

I wouldn't want to take the point on any patrols operating under your plan without having a pretty clear idea of the rules of engagement and what the plan is when the whole thing goes to Hell.  

[Westside]

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

If I'm deployed to the front lines here I'm not really comfortable with your plan.  Drones can be easily shot down by conventional air defenses.  S-400's for example.  And drones are controlled and launched from somewhere.  These locations will be viewed as legitimate military targets by the enemy along with any supporting infrastructure and assets. 

 

You should think this through further.  And remember one critical element of warfare.  When you shoot at the enemy they shoot back.  While you can kill them they can also kill you.  

 

I wouldn't want to take the point on any patrols operating under your plan without having a pretty clear idea of the rules of engagement and what the plan is when the whole thing goes to Hell.  

You make a lot of sense. But tibs got the feelz to guide him, much like the force in Star Wars.

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, Westside said:

You make a lot of sense. But tibs got the feelz to guide him, much like the force in Star Wars.

When you base your military strategy for fighting Russia on Rambo II and Rambo III you might want to consider another approach!  The first thing to understand is their aim isn't as bad as the Hollywood version.

Edited February 23, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

44 minutes ago, sherpa said:

Is this a joke?

In the visionary strike planner Field Marshall Tiberious', proposal, there are a number of omissions.

 

First and most obvious, what the hell happened to Russian air defenses or indeed their Air Force?

Do they simply no longer exist?

 

Second, this huge deployment would take quite a bit of time.

All of these Russian ground forces would be integrated in Ukrainian villages or in some way hidden.

Think this proposed, (though undefined), coalition is going to start launching weapons into Ukrainian villages?

 

Third, does the proposal have any understanding of the weaknesses of drones?

They are relatively low payload vehicles, generate an incredibly easy radar and heat signature, so are easily detected, especially when carrying weapons, have no defensive maneuverability are very slow, and proven to be jammable.

One fighter could probably take down eight of them on a single sortie if they were closely positioned.

 

Oh ya. Wait. The Russian Air Force and extremely sophisticated integrated ground based, highly mobile air defense system isn't in the fight. They simply don't show up.

 

In the business, this is called "near peer" warfare, and to be successful, you have to bring every capability you have, and they have to be in place and ready.

To simply disregard the other side's capability is pure irrationality.

 

I've got a better idea, equally realistic.

Why not just rope drop Seal Team Six into the Kremlin and have them get Putin and his supporters?

 

By the way, there is no way the US would have a carrier in the Black Sea if hostilities broke out against Russia.

There is simply not enough room to do what carriers do.

 

 

Of course- use 20 year old drones to blow up their tanks… 😂 There is no way Russia thought about countering that…. 🤦‍♂️ 
 

This isn’t the Iraqi army or the goat herders we surrendered to last year. 
 

Also China and Russia have an alliance.

 

It’s a real mess now. I don’t know how to unravel it without injecting new leadership. 

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You're contradicting yourself.  Saying there is no black and white and then offering up a black and white choice.

 

Sure we support democracy.  That's not an issue.  The issue is at what cost?  Given your unwavering support that no cost is too great to support democracy are you willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of close friends and family in order to uphold that absolute and unqualified principle?  Maybe where someone stands depends on what "skin" they have in the game.  It's that simple.

At what cost??? 
 

We should take the risk of dealing with the next Hitler?

 

smfh

[B-Man]

 

 

ROGER SIMON: The Ukraine Crisis Is On Biden.

 

Does anyone seriously believe that if Donald Trump were still sitting in the Oval Office, as perhaps he should be, Ukraine would be in the jeopardy that it is?

 

The Ukraine crisis is on Joseph Biden. And I’m not just talking about how he treated that country as his family’s piggy bank, with his son making a fortune off their energy giant Burisma while Joe himself threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor investigating the famously corrupt company.

Unscrupulous and immoral as that was, I’m talking about something even worse. I’m talking about how he made Ukraine a gift to Vladimir Putin.

 

On Jan. 20, 2020, Biden canceled presidential approval of the Keystone XL pipeline. That was followed by a slew of other actions on energy, eliminating the United States’ newly won energy independence and ability to export its surplus.

 

With all this, Vladimir might have fainted, if he ever does such a thing, at his good fortune.

 

It meant Germany, Europe’s powerhouse, as well as many other countries, would be more dependent on Mother Russia for warmth the coming winter (and many more) via the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

 

 

 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-ukraine-crisis-is-on-biden_4292080.html

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

ROGER SIMON: The Ukraine Crisis Is On Biden.

 

Does anyone seriously believe that if Donald Trump were still sitting in the Oval Office, as perhaps he should be, Ukraine would be in the jeopardy that it is?

 

The Ukraine crisis is on Joseph Biden. And I’m not just talking about how he treated that country as his family’s piggy bank, with his son making a fortune off their energy giant Burisma while Joe himself threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor investigating the famously corrupt company.

Unscrupulous and immoral as that was, I’m talking about something even worse. I’m talking about how he made Ukraine a gift to Vladimir Putin.

 

On Jan. 20, 2020, Biden canceled presidential approval of the Keystone XL pipeline. That was followed by a slew of other actions on energy, eliminating the United States’ newly won energy independence and ability to export its surplus.

 

With all this, Vladimir might have fainted, if he ever does such a thing, at his good fortune.

 

It meant Germany, Europe’s powerhouse, as well as many other countries, would be more dependent on Mother Russia for warmth the coming winter (and many more) via the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

 

 

 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-ukraine-crisis-is-on-biden_4292080.html

Wow - I didn’t know Biden put 150,000 Russian troops on the Russian Ukraine border -  whoa the more you hack! 
 

Second - laughable trying to remotely equate Biden-Ukrainian connections without talking about the GQP and Conald/cult feeding off dirty Russian money laundered through the NRA; Trump constantly fellating his master Putin and the cult spending their July 4th holidays in Moscow.

 

I love the GQP talking points - you cult members do an incredible job aligning behind the talking points no matter how pathetic they are.

 

I really hope Biden doesn’t go to war with Ukraine using the Russian military. 

Edited February 23, 2022 by BillStime

[All_Pro_Bills]

47 minutes ago, BillStime said:

At what cost??? 
 

We should take the risk of dealing with the next Hitler?

 

smfh

You mean that guy Trudeau?  I agree.  We should cross the border, arrest that dictator, and put him on trial for human rights violations.

[All_Pro_Bills]

21 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Wow - I didn’t know Biden put 150,000 Russian troops on the Russian Ukraine boarder -  whoa the more you hack! 
 

Second - laughable trying to remotely equate Biden-Ukrainian connections without talking about the GQP and Conald/cult feeding off dirty Russian money laundered through the NRA; Trump constantly fellating his master Putin and the cult spending their July 4th holidays in Moscow.

 

I love the GQP talking points - you cult members do an incredible job aligning behind the talking points no matter how pathetic they are.

 

I really hope Biden doesn’t go to war with Ukraine using the Russian military. 

What makes me LMAO is how you continuously disparage Trump supporters while at the same time advocating for direct military intervention. 

 

Who do you think is going to be doing all the fighting?  Race and Gender studies graduates and Social Justice advocates?  Maybe academic and intellectual leftists?  Or American Socialists?  Get real.  They don't have the make up or the guts to pull it off. 

 

Who do you think would be doing the actual fighting?  Why that would be "the cult" members.  Its the very people you despise that your zeal for warfare depends on doing the dirty work. 

 

How do you reconcile the desire for war with the reality that the people you associate with are gutless and would never consider joining the fighting or getting their hands dirty while putting their asses on the line?

 

So knock off the we need to stop the next Hitler BS.  Because what do you mean by 'we'?

 

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[BillStime]

19 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What makes me LMAO is how you continuously disparage Trump supporters while at the same time advocating for direct military intervention. 

 

Who do you think is going to be doing all the fighting?  Race and Gender studies graduates and Social Justice advocates?  Maybe academic and intellectual leftists?  Or American Socialists?  Get real.  They don't have the make up or the guts to pull it off. 

 

Who do you think would be doing the actual fighting?  Why that would be "the cult" members.  Its the very people you despise that your zeal for warfare depends on doing the dirty work. 

 

How do you reconcile the desire for war with the reality that the people you associate with are gutless and would never consider joining the fighting or getting their hands dirty while putting their asses on the line?

 

So knock off the we need to stop the next Hitler BS.  Because what do you mean by 'we'?

 

 

 

Can you read or just do you throw up Russian talking points like a good little hack?

 

Maybe the larger font will help:

 

Did Biden put 150,000+ Russian troops on the Russian/Ukrainian border?

31 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You mean that guy Trudeau?  I agree.  We should cross the border, arrest that dictator, and put him on trial for human rights violations.

 

Such as?

[SoCal Deek]

Seems simple then. Let's get a Constitutional Amendment authored, voted on and signed.  I suggest the following:

 

"Listen Guys: If a country anywhere on the planet has their 'democracy' threatened.....it's BOMBS AWAY!"

 

You'all can add your tweaks.

[BillStime]

 

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You mean that guy Trudeau?  I agree.  We should cross the border, arrest that dictator, and put him on trial for human rights violations.

 

Are you really a just a pathetic hack?  

 

Did Trudeau murder his enemies?

 

(Putin did and his list is quite long)

 

Did Trudeau send his political dissenters to Siberia or to work camps?

 

(Putin did)

 

Did Trudeau occupying foreign territories and just magically announce that sections of sovereign nations are independent?

 

(Do you need a link?)

 

Is Trudeau abetting some of the world’s worst bloodshed?

 

(No but Putin did)

 

Read all about the above here

 

#brainwashed

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by BillStime

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, Westside said:

Why don’t you knock that crap off! No one is a fan of Putin! You know damn well that’s true. So stop the bull#### accusations against anyone who disagrees with you.

Be better!

Seems funny is all. People bash Biden and saw nothing bad about Putin. That’s all. 

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

If I'm deployed to the front lines here I'm not really comfortable with your plan.  Drones can be easily shot down by conventional air defenses.  S-400's for example.  And drones are controlled and launched from somewhere.  These locations will be viewed as legitimate military targets by the enemy along with any supporting infrastructure and assets. 

 

You should think this through further.  And remember one critical element of warfare.  When you shoot at the enemy they shoot back.  While you can kill them they can also kill you.  

 

I wouldn't want to take the point on any patrols operating under your plan without having a pretty clear idea of the rules of engagement and what the plan is when the whole thing goes to Hell.  

We are already on the line there. Biden is putting a sharp stick right Putin eyes by sending more and more weapons right into Ukraine to kill Russian soldiers. It’s like the Berlin airlift. Should we stop because Putin might shoot down own weapons carrying planes? 

 

You know Putin would if he could get away with it. But the USAF is looking over their shoulder. 🇺🇸 

 

Does that make you nervous? You brought up an aircraft carrier getting hit. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

BIPARTISAN.

 

 

 

[Demongyz]

25 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

BIPARTISAN.

 

 

 

Here here!

 

This crap where the President gets to go to war anywhere for anything has got to end.  I remember a time when Congress declared war.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

17 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Here here!

 

This crap where the President gets to go to war anywhere for anything has got to end.  I remember a time when Congress declared war.

 

 

You must be really really old. 😉

[ALF]

Yep 2 nuclear super powers starting WWlll is not a good idea.

[Tiberius]

29 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Here here!

 

This crap where the President gets to go to war anywhere for anything has got to end.  I remember a time when Congress declared war.

 

 

1941? 

——

 

 

They are calling up National Guard to keep DC clear