SoCal Deek Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Don't think they will have to. We can destroy the Russian army without any boots on the ground Who are you? Little Rocket Man? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Who are you? Little Rocket Man? I'm tall! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I'm tall! Now THAT made me laugh. 👍Keep your sense of humor Tibs. And remember we’re talking about war here. Really young men on both sides are going to be sent off to die because really old men can’t work out their problems. Pathetic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Now THAT made me laugh. 👍Keep your sense of humor Tibs. And remember we’re talking about war here. Really young men on both sides are going to be sent off to die because really old men can’t work out their problems. Pathetic. Well, its all Putin's fault. Refusing to recognize Ukraine as a sovereign nation and threatening to bring the horrors of war to innocent people is evil. You know he wants to destroy Ukraine because it is a successful democracy with a growing economy? It's making Putin's authoritarian regime look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Ukraine should agree to stay neutral and not join NATO if Russia will leave now. It's not worth fighting over the 2 provinces that are mainly Russian speaking. Putin is ruthless at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Don't think they will have to. We can destroy the Russian army without any boots on the ground So that's it? You send air strikes against the Russian army and that's it? LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Doc said: So that's it? You send air strikes against the Russian army and that's it? LOL! In conjunction with the Ukrainian army and drones from many other nations, ya, there’s going to be a lot of burning Russian tanks, armored personal carriers, self propelled artillery and trucks. Attacking units are always vulnerable to attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Tiberius said: In conjunction with the Ukrainian army and drones from many other nations, ya, there’s going to be a lot of burning Russian tanks, armored personal carriers, self propelled artillery and trucks. Attacking units are always vulnerable to attack This might escalate quickly when they sink one of your carriers running sorties out of the Black Sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I think you're an idealist that can't see the grey areas between your black and white view of these conflicts. There is no black or white. Either you support democracy or you don’t. Putin HATES our way of life and wants to ensure his people and interests get no taste of the checks and balances of democracy over his power. It’s that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Just now, BillStime said: There is no black or white. Either you support democracy or you don’t. Putin HATES our way of life and wants to ensure his people and interests get no taste of the checks and balances of democracy over his power. It’s that simple. You're contradicting yourself. Saying there is no black and white and then offering up a black and white choice. Sure we support democracy. That's not an issue. The issue is at what cost? Given your unwavering support that no cost is too great to support democracy are you willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of close friends and family in order to uphold that absolute and unqualified principle? Maybe where someone stands depends on what "skin" they have in the game. It's that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 42 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: This might escalate quickly when they sink one of your carriers running sorties out of the Black Sea. Drones won’t need carriers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, BillStime said: There is no black or white. Either you support democracy or you don’t. Putin HATES our way of life and wants to ensure his people and interests get no taste of the checks and balances of democracy over his power. It’s that simple. It’s nowhere near that simple. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You're contradicting yourself. Saying there is no black and white and then offering up a black and white choice. Sure we support democracy. That's not an issue. The issue is at what cost? Given your unwavering support that no cost is too great to support democracy are you willing to sacrifice your life and the lives of close friends and family in order to uphold that absolute and unqualified principle? Maybe where someone stands depends on what "skin" they have in the game. It's that simple. We won’t have to put American lives on the line. The Ukrainians are going to fight for their nation, we are giving them more weapons by the minute, anti tank weapons, anti aircraft weapons, killer drones and lots of sniper rifles. I hope we support that with our drones. Here is a good weapon. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/kamikaze-drones-new-weapon-brings-power-peril-u-s-military-n1285415 And this new generation of Raptor drones are pretty nasty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-9_Reaper With a 66 ft (20 m) wingspan, and a maximum payload of 3,800 lb (1,700 kg), the MQ-9 can be armed with a variety of weaponry, including Hellfire missiles and 500 lb (230 kg) laser-guided bomb units.[36] Its endurance is 30 hours when conducting ISR missions, which decreases to 23 hours if it is carrying a full weapons load.[37] The Reaper has a range of 1,000 nmi (1,150 mi; 1,850 km)[dubious – discuss] and an operational altitude of 50,000 ft (15,000 m), which makes it especially useful for long-term loitering operations, both for surveillance and support of ground troops.[38 Yikes! 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s nowhere near that simple. Actually it is https://www.npr.org/2022/02/15/1081009674/russia-opposition-leader-alexei-navalny-new-trial-prison-putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: We won’t have to put American lives on the line. The Ukrainians are going to fight for their nation, we are giving them more weapons by the minute, anti tank weapons, anti aircraft weapons, killer drones and lots of sniper rifles. I hope we support that with our drones. Here is a good weapon. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/kamikaze-drones-new-weapon-brings-power-peril-u-s-military-n1285415 And this new generation of Raptor drones are pretty nasty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-9_Reaper With a 66 ft (20 m) wingspan, and a maximum payload of 3,800 lb (1,700 kg), the MQ-9 can be armed with a variety of weaponry, including Hellfire missiles and 500 lb (230 kg) laser-guided bomb units.[36] Its endurance is 30 hours when conducting ISR missions, which decreases to 23 hours if it is carrying a full weapons load.[37] The Reaper has a range of 1,000 nmi (1,150 mi; 1,850 km)[dubious – discuss] and an operational altitude of 50,000 ft (15,000 m), which makes it especially useful for long-term loitering operations, both for surveillance and support of ground troops.[38 Yikes! Actually it is https://www.npr.org/2022/02/15/1081009674/russia-opposition-leader-alexei-navalny-new-trial-prison-putin No it’s not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Tragic how the "conservatives" here or whatever you identify yourself as these days - bend yourselves into pretzals to defend/surmise your contrived ideas... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Is this a joke? In the visionary strike planner Field Marshall Tiberious', proposal, there are a number of omissions. First and most obvious, what the hell happened to Russian air defenses or indeed their Air Force? Do they simply no longer exist? Second, this huge deployment would take quite a bit of time. All of these Russian ground forces would be integrated in Ukrainian villages or in some way hidden. Think this proposed, (though undefined), coalition is going to start launching weapons into Ukrainian villages? Third, does the proposal have any understanding of the weaknesses of drones? They are relatively low payload vehicles, generate an incredibly easy radar and heat signature, so are easily detected, especially when carrying weapons, have no defensive maneuverability are very slow, and proven to be jammable. One fighter could probably take down eight of them on a single sortie if they were closely positioned. Oh ya. Wait. The Russian Air Force and extremely sophisticated integrated ground based, highly mobile air defense system isn't in the fight. They simply don't show up. In the business, this is called "near peer" warfare, and to be successful, you have to bring every capability you have, and they have to be in place and ready. To simply disregard the other side's capability is pure irrationality. I've got a better idea, equally realistic. Why not just rope drop Seal Team Six into the Kremlin and have them get Putin and his supporters? By the way, there is no way the US would have a carrier in the Black Sea if hostilities broke out against Russia. There is simply not enough room to do what carriers do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ALF said: Ukraine should agree to stay neutral and not join NATO if Russia will leave now. It's not worth fighting over the 2 provinces that are mainly Russian speaking. Putin is ruthless at this point. I think that's what Ukraine's president has been trying to do that until Putin told the world he's a maniac that wants to reconquer the old Tsarist/Soviet empire. The Ukrainians bent over backwards to avoid provocations. I think the Ukrainians were willing to make very, very painful concessions to Russia if it meant they kept some kind of independent state. They'd figured there was still a way to buy Putin off and avoid a conventional war they're bound to lose. For a stand up comedian with no military training and no political experience, Volodimyr Zelensky has brass balls. Ukraine officially started mobilizing its reservists last night. So if Russia doesn't attack in the next few weeks, they'll have 180,000 additional Ukrainian soldiers to deal with. But it also hints that the Ukrainians see their peace strategy has failed so ***** it, Ukraine's getting ready for a war that will decide if they remain an independent country or not. Edited February 23, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: I think that's what Ukraine's president has been trying to do that until Putin told the world he's a maniac that wants to reconquer the old Tsarist/Soviet empire. The Ukrainians bent over backwards to avoid provocations. I think the Ukrainians were willing to make very, very painful concessions to Russia if it meant they kept some kind of independent state. They'd figured there was still a way to buy Putin off and avoid a conventional war they're bound to lose. For a stand up comedian with no military training and no political experience, Volodimyr Zelensky has brass balls. Ukraine officially started mobilizing its reservists last night. So if Russia doesn't attack in the next few weeks, they'll have 180,000 additional Ukrainian soldiers to deal with. But it also hints that the Ukrainians see their peace strategy has failed so ***** it, Ukraine's getting ready for a war that will decide if they remain an independent country or not. I wonder if they have enough weapons for all those reservists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Not wanting to help Ukraine helps Putin, right? How bad is Putin, in your opinion? Why don’t you knock that crap off! No one is a fan of Putin! You know damn well that’s true. So stop the bull#### accusations against anyone who disagrees with you. Be better! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I wonder if they have enough weapons for all those reservists? It's hard to say. This is another good reason to have the 2nd amendment so the citizenry can fight back! But you know... I really hope they have enough firepower to thoroughly punish Russia for this aggression, that POS Putin needs to learn a lesson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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