Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Tommy Callahan]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Tell us something we don't know Tom.

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

12 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Tell us something we don't know Tom.

 

 

 

How stupid. Putin loves this argument 

 

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

How stupid. Putin loves this argument

 

You're so naive.

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You're so naive.

No, Putin really loves arguments about not giving weapons to Ukraine. That’s pretty obvious 

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, Putin really loves arguments about not giving weapons to Ukraine. That’s pretty obvious 

 

Does he?  How would you know?

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Does he?  How would you know?

Quote

Putin's quick way to end war: 'Stop weapons supplies' to Ukraine. 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/06/13/ukraine-russia-war-live-updates/70317752007/

 

Literally the same argument people on here are making. 

 

 

[Doc]

17 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/06/13/ukraine-russia-war-live-updates/70317752007/

 

Literally the same argument people on here are making.

 

Did you see that video of Ukrainian recruits posted yesterday?  There will soon be no one to fire any weapons.

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Did you see that video of Ukrainian recruits posted yesterday?  There will soon be no one to fire any weapons.

Putin and MAGA sure hope so 

 

Remember how you guys were saying Kiev would fall in three days? 👏

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Putin and MAGA sure hope so 

 

Remember how you guys were saying Kiev would fall in three days? 👏

 

No.  But it would have been better than killing their youth and ultimately losing their land anyway.

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

No.  But it would have been better than killing their youth and ultimately losing their land anyway.

If Russia conquered Ukraine?? 

 

How would you like to live under Russia occupation? Good god, I'd fight to save you from living like that 

[Tommy Callahan]

15 hours ago, Tiberius said:

If Russia conquered Ukraine?? 

 

How would you like to live under Russia occupation? Good god, I'd fight to save you from living like that 

over 80% of the population in the disputed regions are Russians.

 

90+ in Crimea.

 

 

[Doc]

17 hours ago, Tiberius said:

If Russia conquered Ukraine?? 

 

How would you like to live under Russia occupation? Good god, I'd fight to save you from living like that 

 

If Russia tried to go to war with the US, I'd do what I can.  But know that at least we would have a good chance of winning.

[Tiberius]

Here's hoping this actually means something...

 

Vladimir Putin said Russia has always been “ready for talks” to end the “tragedy” of war in Ukraine. Speaking at the G20 meeting, the Russian president gave his most pacific comments yet since invading Ukraine, but then blamed Kyiv for no peace talks.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/22/russia-ukraine-war-putin-zelenskiy-latest-news-updates

[Doc]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Here's hoping this actually means something...

 

Vladimir Putin said Russia has always been “ready for talks” to end the “tragedy” of war in Ukraine. Speaking at the G20 meeting, the Russian president gave his most pacific comments yet since invading Ukraine, but then blamed Kyiv for no peace talks.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/22/russia-ukraine-war-putin-zelenskiy-latest-news-updates

 

Yeah, they were ready last year.  Joke nixed it.

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, they were ready last year.  Joke nixed it.

Ya sure. 

[sherpa]

These are the two guys I trust when evaluating the entire situation, and sums up my view.

I get that it's a one hour video, but well worth the watch.

The discussion of the value of continuing to pursue this starts at the 31:38 mark.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmMclP8dlI0

 

Before that is a detailed air war discussion. Very good and informative for those who are not familiar.

 

  

[Tiberius]

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

23 hours ago, sherpa said:

These are the two guys I trust when evaluating the entire situation, and sums up my view.

I get that it's a one hour video, but well worth the watch.

The discussion of the value of continuing to pursue this starts at the 31:38 mark.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmMclP8dlI0

 

Before that is a detailed air war discussion. Very good and informative for those who are not familiar.

 

  

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Alexander Rybalchenko.

 

Is this work by Michael Koffman?

Edited November 24, 2023 by Coffeesforclosers

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Alexander Rybalchenko.

 

Is this work by Michael Koffman?

 

I'm not having any problem linking to it, either through my original post or your quote, and no, it is not from Michael Koffman.

 

It strts with an in detail view of the air war, but at the 31:38 mark, gets into a detailed discussion of what is really going on and what is at stake.