All_Pro_Bills Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 I expect this story with significant details will prove interesting to most posters on the topic. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/27/revealed-europes-role-in-the-making-of-russia-killer-drones 1
Tommy Callahan Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I expect this story with significant details will prove interesting to most posters on the topic. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/27/revealed-europes-role-in-the-making-of-russia-killer-drones Cant make it up. Among the suggestions for action by Ukraine’s western allies – at which they would probably baulk – are “missile strikes on the production plants of these UAVs in Iran, Syria, as well as on a potential production site in the Russian federation”. The document goes on: “The above may be carried out by the Ukrainian defence forces if partners provide the necessary means of destruction.” thats the start of WW3 1
Doc Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Chris farley said: Cant make it up. Among the suggestions for action by Ukraine’s western allies – at which they would probably baulk – are “missile strikes on the production plants of these UAVs in Iran, Syria, as well as on a potential production site in the Russian federation”. The document goes on: “The above may be carried out by the Ukrainian defence forces if partners provide the necessary means of destruction.” thats the start of WW3 Remember when libs claimed that Trump was going to start WWIII? Good times... 1
Tommy Callahan Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Remember when libs claimed that Trump was going to start WWIII? Good times... it's hard to not believe the same thing would be playing out, years earlier. if Hillary had won.
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Chris farley said: it's hard to not believe the same thing would be playing out, years earlier. if Hillary had won. If Hillary won we'd be in the hole for about $500 billion in "aid" by now and every person on Earth making less than $10 a day would have come across the border in Texas to live in NYC. 1
Doc Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, Chris farley said: it's hard to not believe the same thing would be playing out, years earlier. if Hillary had won. Nah. Hilly would have strengthened NATO instead of trying to kill it and that would have scared Vlad away...
Tommy Callahan Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Nah. Hilly would have strengthened NATO instead of trying to kill it and that would have scared Vlad away... I kind of get that. She scares the hell out of most A lifetime war hawk, Kissinger disciple. promotes small incursions/government changes over letting it foster to a large war. was she SOS under Obamas drone wars?
Doc Posted September 28, 2023 Posted September 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Chris farley said: I kind of get that. She scares the hell out of most A lifetime war hawk, Kissinger disciple. promotes small incursions/government changes over letting it foster to a large war. was she SOS under Obamas drone wars? I was being facetious. Vlad would have invaded Ukraine sooner if she had been President. 1
B-Man Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 The Ukrainian Gordian Knot By Victor Davis Hanson Most Americans understandably favor the Ukrainian resistance against Russian President Vladimir Putin’s naked 2022 aggression. Yet for Ukraine to break the current deadlock — our generation’s Verdun with perhaps 600,000 combined casualties so far — and “win” the war, it apparently must have the military wherewithal to hit targets inside Russia. Such strategically logical attacks might nevertheless provoke a wounded and unpredictable Russia finally to carry out its boilerplate and ignored existential threats. From the last 75 years of big-power rivalries, the operational “rules” of proxy wars are well known. In Vietnam, Korea, and Afghanistan, Russia supplied America’s enemies — sometimes even sending Russian pilots into combat zones. Thousands of Americans likely died due to our adversaries’ use of Russian munitions and personnel. Likewise, Russia lost 15,000 fatalities in its decade-long misadventure in Afghanistan. In part, Moscow’s defeat may have been due to deadly American weapons, including sophisticated Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. In the bloody decades of these big-power proxy wars, many were fought on or near the borders of Russia or China. Yet none of these surrogate conflicts of the nuclear age ever led to hot wars between the U.S. and Russia or China. But Ukraine risks now becoming a new — and different — proxy war altogether. Never has the U.S. squared off against Russia or China in a conventional proxy war over either’s respective historical borders (whether illegitimate or not). Neither has Russia nor the U.S. itself ever provided weapons to a proxy belligerent that were used directly inside the respective homeland of either side. They understood superpowers react unpredictably to any third-party who fuels direct conventional attacks on their homelands. Nobly protecting both Ukraine and Taiwan understandably holds a potential risk of big-power escalation that even Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq likely did not. {snip} Equally forgotten were the policies of the Obama, Trump, and Biden administrations regarding the 2014 Russian annexation of the Donbas and Crimea. Prior to the February 24, 2022 Russian attack on Kyiv, none of the three had ever sought to force Russia to give up either the borderlands or the Crimea. The Obama administration’s disastrous 2009-2014 Russian “reset” appeasement policy, the 2015-16 Russian collusion hoax, and the humiliating American skedaddle from Kabul also convinced Putin that America either would not or could not oppose his 2022 invasion. America should help Ukraine resist Russian aggression. But we should be mindful in doing so that the entire region is an historical Gordian Knot of poorly understood but ancient intertwined and competing threads — one that may risk being cut by a Russian nuclear sword. https://jewishworldreview.com/0923/hanson092923.php 1
B-Man Posted October 3, 2023 Posted October 3, 2023 No Sh*t ! Biden administration 'is secretly worried about corruption in Ukraine and fears it could sour support for Zelensky's war against Putin,' after US sent $75 billion to help ' by James Gordon A confidential U.S. strategy document suggests that the Biden administration is more concerned about alleged corruption in Ukraine than first acknowledged. A 'sensitive but unclassified' version of what is believed to be a possibly long-term U.S. plan for Ukraine outlines various measures the U.S. is taking to assist Kyiv in combatting corruption. The feat is that growing criticism of corruption could ultimately lead Western allies to withdraw their support for Ukraine's fight against Russia's invasion. Zelensky's government has seen its most generous support from the United States, with $75 billion so-far committed https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12587275/Biden-administration-secretly-worried-corruption-Ukraine-fears-sour-support-Zelenskys-war-against-Putin-sent-75-billion-help.html . 1 1
Tiberius Posted October 6, 2023 Author Posted October 6, 2023 Sure, let's hand these people over to Putin....what could go wrong? Just appease Putin and everything will be fine https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/06/hroza-kharkiv-missile-strike-ukraine/KHARKIV, Ukraine — A Russian missile strike that killed 52 people in an eastern Ukrainian village on Thursday appears to have overwhelmingly hit civilians — contradicting Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Moscow officials who claim Russian forces only attack military targets. Are you on Telegram? Subscribe to our channel for the latest updates on Russia’s war in Ukraine. On Friday, the morgue in Kharkiv, the regional capital, looked like the scene of a massacre as dozens of employees sifted through the bodies. On Friday afternoon, they announced they had found the body of a boy, Ivan, believed to be 6 years old, who appears to be the only child killed in the attack. Washington Post reporters on scene saw only one body wearing a military uniform. Strike in Ukraine’s northeast Kharkiv region kills 51 Morgue workers said they had seen no evidence of multiple military personnel among the dead and that most victims appeared to be older but in many cases, they were difficult to identify because of the severity of the wounds. Thursday’s strike, in the village of Hroza, about 20 miles outside of the city of Kupyansk, was one of the deadliest yet in the 19-month-old war. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky described it as a “fully deliberate terrorist attack” by Russia. A missile believed to be an Iskander ballistic cruise missile hit a grocery store and cafe in the village where scores of residents had apparently gathered for a memorial service for a soldier killed in action.
B-Man Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Groceries and gas seem to cost more by the day, our cities are awash in crime, and we're sending billions to Eastern Europe. Things here at home aren't all that great, which is likely why Americans across the political spectrum are tiring of the non-stop shoveling of taxpayer dollars and taxpayer-purchased weapons, equipment, and ammunition to Ukraine. Support is falling among Americans of both major political parties for supplying Ukraine with weapons, a warning sign for Kyiv, which relies heavily on U.S. arms to fight against a Russian invasion, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll. The two-day poll, which closed on Wednesday, showed only 41% of respondents agreed with a statement that Washington "should provide weapons to Ukraine," compared to 35% who disagreed and the rest unsure. Support for U.S. weapon shipments is down from May, when a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed 46% of Americans backed sending arms, while 29% were opposed and the rest unsure. The poll was taken as U.S. congressional leaders debate Democratic President Joe Biden's request for $24 billion in additional funding for Ukraine, of which about $17 billion would be defense aid. If $17 billion of this U.S. taxpayer money is defense aid -- by which they mean "aid in fighting Russia" -- then what's the other $7 billion for? Inquiring minds want to know! https://redstate.com/wardclark/2023/10/05/americans-support-for-arming-ukraine-is-dropping-across-the-board-n2164724 https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-asks-us-congress-40-billion-including-24-billion-ukraine-2023-08-10/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-public-support-declines-arming-ukraine-reutersipsos-2023-10-05/ . 1
Tiberius Posted October 6, 2023 Author Posted October 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, B-Man said: Groceries and gas seem to cost more by the day, our cities are awash in crime, and we're sending billions to Eastern Europe. Things here at home aren't all that great, which is likely why Americans across the political spectrum are tiring of the non-stop shoveling of taxpayer dollars and taxpayer-purchased weapons, equipment, and ammunition to Ukraine. Support is falling among Americans of both major political parties for supplying Ukraine with weapons, a warning sign for Kyiv, which relies heavily on U.S. arms to fight against a Russian invasion, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll. The two-day poll, which closed on Wednesday, showed only 41% of respondents agreed with a statement that Washington "should provide weapons to Ukraine," compared to 35% who disagreed and the rest unsure. Support for U.S. weapon shipments is down from May, when a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed 46% of Americans backed sending arms, while 29% were opposed and the rest unsure. The poll was taken as U.S. congressional leaders debate Democratic President Joe Biden's request for $24 billion in additional funding for Ukraine, of which about $17 billion would be defense aid. If $17 billion of this U.S. taxpayer money is defense aid -- by which they mean "aid in fighting Russia" -- then what's the other $7 billion for? Inquiring minds want to know! https://redstate.com/wardclark/2023/10/05/americans-support-for-arming-ukraine-is-dropping-across-the-board-n2164724 https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-asks-us-congress-40-billion-including-24-billion-ukraine-2023-08-10/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-public-support-declines-arming-ukraine-reutersipsos-2023-10-05/ . Polls? Didn't they have Trump losing Wisconsin by 17% 🙄
Tommy Callahan Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Damn. Bernie sanders had anti war protesters arrested. Eleven Activists Arrested in Sen. Bernie Sanders' Office Demanding Diplomacy Instead of Funding More War in Ukraine - Antiwar.com Blog
John from Riverside Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 18 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: Damn. Bernie sanders had anti war protesters arrested. Eleven Activists Arrested in Sen. Bernie Sanders' Office Demanding Diplomacy Instead of Funding More War in Ukraine - Antiwar.com Blog What the ***** were they doing in his office? 19 hours ago, B-Man said: Groceries and gas seem to cost more by the day, our cities are awash in crime, and we're sending billions to Eastern Europe. Things here at home aren't all that great, which is likely why Americans across the political spectrum are tiring of the non-stop shoveling of taxpayer dollars and taxpayer-purchased weapons, equipment, and ammunition to Ukraine. Support is falling among Americans of both major political parties for supplying Ukraine with weapons, a warning sign for Kyiv, which relies heavily on U.S. arms to fight against a Russian invasion, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll. The two-day poll, which closed on Wednesday, showed only 41% of respondents agreed with a statement that Washington "should provide weapons to Ukraine," compared to 35% who disagreed and the rest unsure. Support for U.S. weapon shipments is down from May, when a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed 46% of Americans backed sending arms, while 29% were opposed and the rest unsure. The poll was taken as U.S. congressional leaders debate Democratic President Joe Biden's request for $24 billion in additional funding for Ukraine, of which about $17 billion would be defense aid. If $17 billion of this U.S. taxpayer money is defense aid -- by which they mean "aid in fighting Russia" -- then what's the other $7 billion for? Inquiring minds want to know! https://redstate.com/wardclark/2023/10/05/americans-support-for-arming-ukraine-is-dropping-across-the-board-n2164724 https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-asks-us-congress-40-billion-including-24-billion-ukraine-2023-08-10/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-public-support-declines-arming-ukraine-reutersipsos-2023-10-05/ . Red state lol 1 1
Doc Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: What the ***** were they doing in his office? Red state lol Taking your own words from the other thread, you need to start paying attention. 2
Tiberius Posted October 9, 2023 Author Posted October 9, 2023 Is the GOP still wanting to cut off aid to Ukraine? 1
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