Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Biden's war? Blame the American president for a war begun, continued and made extra dirty by the war mongering dictator Putin

 

We know who's side you are on 

 

 

[B-Man]

Just now, Tiberius said:

 

Biden's war? Blame the American president for a war begun, continued and made extra dirty by the war mongering dictator Putin

 

 

 

Tibs, I specifically put the second tweet because of you,

 

and you passed right over it.

 

 

Here, I will post it again.

 

 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Tibs, I specifically put the second tweet because of you,

 

and you passed right over it.

 

 

Here, I will post it again.

 

 

Yes, we are preserving a fellow democarcy, you are defending a murderous dictator 

 

Freedom vs slavery, you choose slavery. Shame on you 

[ChiGoose]

12 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

why isn’t anyone asking why we haven’t forced Russia and Ukraine to the table to end this? 
 

It’s clear we are funding this proxy war, marching thousands of another countries people to die by throwing money at them. 
 

if you zoom out and look at it, it’s so ***** twisted

Because there isn’t enough leverage to end the war. 
 

Russia has a history of signing peace deals and ceasefires, only to violate them the second they want to. 
 

The only way for real peace in Ukraine is for Russia to know equivocally that they cannot attack again. Any peace deal they sign today won’t prevent them from just using it to regroup and attack again when convenient (something they do all of the time).

 

To get to a lasting peace, one side has to utterly dominate the other. Either Russia wipes Ukraine off the map and genocides the population and culture, or Ukraine crushes the Russian army, pushing them back to the 1992 borders, and establishing that they are not to be messed with. 

[aristocrat]

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1706010501333868756?s=46&t=WfwBbfFkRiZZWCMxTdpkOw
 

not even hiding they support nazis now lol

[L Ron Burgundy]

9 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I'm left wondering how Gary states Russians didn't care about Crimea before 2014 knowing that Crimea was part of Russia until Soviet Premier Kruschev, an ethnic Ukranian, issued a decree transfering it to Ukraine?

And?  Borders in just of all Europe have gone back-and-forth through history.   It being part of Russia in the past doesn't give them carte Blanche to take it back.  Russia is f'd.  Their demographics are terrible and they're sending people they can't afford to lose to die for land that only Putin and his buddies care about.   

[Thurmal34]

MAGA will ALWAYS be known as pro Putin. 
 

the die has been cast. autocracy here and autocracy there!

Oh and for the #######s touting the Putin company line about “Ukrainian nazis”, where are your attacks on our space program led by SS colonel Werner Von Braun?

 

shut the FUNK up

 

hypocrites

[Joe Ferguson forever]

11 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never liked Bill(y) Kristol.  always respected him...

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, Thurmal34 said:

MAGA will ALWAYS be known as pro Putin. 
 

the die has been cast. autocracy here and autocracy there!

Oh and for the #######s touting the Putin company line about “Ukrainian nazis”, where are your attacks on our space program led by SS colonel Werner Von Braun?

 

shut the FUNK up

 

hypocrites

The President is Jewish.   How does that square with all those Nazis lol?  It makes zero sense.  Are there some?   Sure.  Not an unusual amount though. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

 

5 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

The President is Jewish.   How does that square with all those Nazis lol?  It makes zero sense.  Are there some?   Sure.  Not an unusual amount though. 

Whether it makes sense or not to you doesn't negate the fact battalions such as the Azov Militia are self-identifying Nazi's, generally display Nazi tattoos and symbolism, and along with this Ukraine has a documented history of WW2 collaboration with Hitler's SS.  

[ChiGoose]

45 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 

Whether it makes sense or not to you doesn't negate the fact battalions such as the Azov Militia are self-identifying Nazi's, generally display Nazi tattoos and symbolism, and along with this Ukraine has a documented history of WW2 collaboration with Hitler's SS.  

Man, if you’re upset about a Ukrainian regiment that used to be white supremacist before being integrated and reconstituted, you’re gonna be really upset when you find out about the Russians. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

23 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Man, if you’re upset about a Ukrainian regiment that used to be white supremacist before being integrated and reconstituted, you’re gonna be really upset when you find out about the Russians. 

We can talk about the many transgressions and atrocities of the Russians if that's desired but that's a different conversation.  Nazi militias such as Azov were prominent in last year's initial combat against the Russian invasion, and in Donbas between 2014 and 2022.  Regardless of their politics they were effective fighters but many were killed or captured and their numbers have significantly dropped. 

 

The "de-radicalized" narrative is pure propaganda specifically targeting American public support efforts.  How exactly they took the Nazi out of the Nazi's by "integrating" them into the Army as the story suggests isn't quite clear.  Maybe good old fashioned American neo-liberal ideology and social justice training with the right mix of identity politics did the trick? 

[ChiGoose]

14 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

How exactly they took the Nazi out of the Nazi's by "integrating" them into the Army as the story suggests isn't quite clear.  

Literally from the article:

 

”The Ukrainian army in late 2014 formally integrated the Azov Regiment. Many of Ukraine’s foreign allies, including the United States, objected to the integration. But the deradicalization process already was underway.

 

For starters, Biletsky was gone—off campaigning for the parliamentary seat he would hold until 2019. What’s more, the Ukrainian general staff in mid-2015 pulled the Azov Regiment from the front line for restructuring and retraining.

 

Massive manpower turnover alone significantly diluted the regiment’s ideology. By the time it returned to the front line in early 2019, the Azov Regiment probably was unrecognizable to its original members. It likely was even less recognizable three years later this February, when Russia widened its war on Ukraine.

 

“The Azov Regiment has been repeatedly reconstituted,” wrote Alasdair McCallum, a researcher at Monash University in Australia. “Its extremist early leaders such as the odious Andriy Biletsky are long gone, and, more recently, its fearsome, pseudo-pagan regimental emblem has been abandoned.”

 

By the time the Azov Regiment began spinning off successor units, the ideological poison mostly was gone.”

 

Removing the ideology from a unit by removing the people with the ideology and training people to be regular soldiers seems pretty straightforward. 
 

But I get that you can’t let facts get in the way of your feelings. Especially if it requires actually reading. 

Edited September 25, 2023 by ChiGoose

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Which country is more important. . . . . . . . . . . . . . The U.S.  or Ukraine  ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Pentagon will exempt its Ukraine operations from a potential shutdown if lawmakers can't agree on a deal to fund the government by the end of the month, allowing key training and other activities in support of Kyiv's forces to move ahead uninterrupted, according to a Defense Department spokesperson.4 days ago

 

Pentagon exempts Ukraine operations from potential ... - Politico

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/21/pentagon-exempts-ukraine-operations-from-shutdown-00117482

 

 

 

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[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Which country is more important. . . . . . . . . . . . . . The U.S.  or Ukraine  ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Pentagon will exempt its Ukraine operations from a potential shutdown if lawmakers can't agree on a deal to fund the government by the end of the month, allowing key training and other activities in support of Kyiv's forces to move ahead uninterrupted, according to a Defense Department spokesperson.4 days ago

 

Pentagon exempts Ukraine operations from potential ... - Politico

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/21/pentagon-exempts-ukraine-operations-from-shutdown-00117482

 

 

 

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Nice! 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

Literally from the article:

 

”The Ukrainian army in late 2014 formally integrated the Azov Regiment. Many of Ukraine’s foreign allies, including the United States, objected to the integration. But the deradicalization process already was underway.

 

For starters, Biletsky was gone—off campaigning for the parliamentary seat he would hold until 2019. What’s more, the Ukrainian general staff in mid-2015 pulled the Azov Regiment from the front line for restructuring and retraining.

 

Massive manpower turnover alone significantly diluted the regiment’s ideology. By the time it returned to the front line in early 2019, the Azov Regiment probably was unrecognizable to its original members. It likely was even less recognizable three years later this February, when Russia widened its war on Ukraine.

 

“The Azov Regiment has been repeatedly reconstituted,” wrote Alasdair McCallum, a researcher at Monash University in Australia. “Its extremist early leaders such as the odious Andriy Biletsky are long gone, and, more recently, its fearsome, pseudo-pagan regimental emblem has been abandoned.”

 

By the time the Azov Regiment began spinning off successor units, the ideological poison mostly was gone.”

 

Removing the ideology from a unit by removing the people with the ideology and training people to be regular soldiers seems pretty straightforward. 
 

But I get that you can’t let facts get in the way of your feelings. Especially if it requires actually reading. 

 You're just a sucker that believes the story the media is selling.

[L Ron Burgundy]

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

 You're just a sucker that believes the story the media is selling.

You're just a suckered that thinks everything is a conspiracy.

[ChiGoose]

4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 You're just a sucker that believes the story the media is selling.

Nah, I just require actual evidence before believing a thing. 
 

Meanwhile, you’re falling for obvious Russian propogqnda because it fits your agenda. 
 

Feelings Over Facts: the motto of the right. 

[Tommy Callahan]

14 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 You're just a sucker that believes the story the media is selling.

They parrot it 100 and attack critical and organic thought with a vengeance