Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Target of opportunity? Ummm...how about a reaction against Russian aggression? 

 

You always make it seem like the free nations are to blame. Why is that? Comrade? 

You have a simplistic "white hat" vs. "black hat" view of how the world works which inhibits your ability to see there are no "good guys".  The only truth that exists is "perspective".

Edited August 21, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[SoCal Deek]

16 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You have a simplistic "white hat" vs. "black hat" view of how the world works which inhibits your ability to see there are no "good guys". 
 

The only truth that exists is "perspective".

I really like that last line. I may have to steal it. 👍

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I really like that last line. I may have to steal it. 👍

Feel free to use it!    

 

 

[Tiberius]

22 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

You have a simplistic "white hat" vs. "black hat" view of how the world works which inhibits your ability to see there are no "good guys".  The only truth that exists is "perspective".

Putin is a really, really bad guy, don't you agree? 

 

So yes, Biden is wearing a white hat in helping them. 

 

You seem to want to make it the other way around, comrade. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Putin is a really, really bad guy, don't you agree? 

 

So yes, Biden is wearing a white hat in helping them. 

 

You seem to want to make it the other way around, comrade. 

Two black hats. 

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Two black hats. 

The white hat will be worn by someone who puts an end to this ridiculously expensive border squabble. So far….the world is still waiting for that horse to ride in. 

[Tiberius]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I really like that last line. I may have to steal it. 👍

Hope you are not getting flooded out 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Hope you are not getting flooded out 

Thanks Tibs! It rained all day here yesterday. What most people don’t realize is that Southern California gets literally ZERO rain at all for the months of July through October. So yesterday’s total was as much as we’d see in one of our wettest ‘winter’ months….all in one day. To those in WNY, you’d just call it a normal Tuesday. 😉

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Two black hats. 

It's bad for us to help Ukraine fight off Russian aggresion, eh comrade? 

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks Tibs! It rained all day here yesterday. What most people don’t realize is that Southern California gets literally ZERO rain at all for the months of July through October. So yesterday’s total was as much as we’d see in one of our wettest ‘winter’ months….all in one day. To those in WNY, you’d just call it a normal Tuesday. 😉

It's been absolutely perfect here last few days, but I saw that your rain is coming at us for next weekend 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

Wow, openly saying if we don't appease Putin then Putin wins

 

Heads Putin win, tails Ukraine loses, in this clowns wishes

 

There is some growing worry that if Putin is distracted by his war he won't be able to do all he can for Trump 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Wow, openly saying if we don't appease Putin then Putin wins

 

Heads Putin win, tails Ukraine loses, in this clowns wishes

 

There is some growing worry that if Putin is distracted by his war he won't be able to do all he can for Trump 

Let me see if I understand you here….you believe that Putin himself is responsible for working the keyboards during the ‘election tampering’ hoax? Now I think I’ve heard it all! 😂😂😂

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Let me see if I understand you here….you believe that Putin himself is responsible for working the keyboards during the ‘election tampering’ hoax? Now I think I’ve heard it all! 😂😂😂

He's not shooting guns in Ukraine himself, but resposible for that. 

 

Do you get the point? 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

He's not shooting guns in Ukraine himself, but resposible for that. 

 

Do you get the point? 

No…I really don’t get the point. And apparently neither do you. Go back a re-read your post. 

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

No…I really don’t get the point. And apparently neither do you. Go back a re-read your post. 

I read it, and you do not understand 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

I read it, and you do not understand 

Exactly! Nobody understands your posts on this topic. 😉

[The Frankish Reich]

40 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Wow, openly saying if we don't appease Putin then Putin wins

 

Heads Putin win, tails Ukraine loses, in this clowns wishes

 

That's the new "Republicans" for you. 

[The Frankish Reich]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

There goes the family's Christmas in Minsk dream vacation.

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That's the new "Republicans" for you. 

Its likely that Russia isn't going to be dislodged from their positions inside Ukraine short of NATO countries sending in combat troops to push them out.  Few are advocating for that and certainly nobody in a decision making capacity at this time.  That's not "appeasement", that's a realistic assessment of the situation.  We can debate when it started, who started what, and who did what, but that's not going to change the facts and conditions on the ground as of today.  If we want to say Putin is 100% to blame it doesn't change the current dilemma faced by the Ukrainian forces.  Its about as important at this point as arguing 1st class dinner table etiquette on the deck of the Titanic as the ship's about to go under.     

 

I know there's clamoring for providing F-16's ASAP but apparently it takes an extended period of training to come up to speed on the aircraft.  Maybe the people expecting them to be flying sorties already watched Independence Day a few times and saw how an alcoholic crop dusting single prop pilot came up to speed on an advanced fighter jet (I think they might have been mostly F-15's and some F-16's) in a couple hours of classroom instruction and are wondering why its taking so long? 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Its likely that Russia isn't going to be dislodged from their positions inside Ukraine short of NATO countries sending in combat troops to push them out.  Few are advocating for that and certainly nobody in a decision making capacity at this time.  That's not "appeasement", that's a realistic assessment of the situation.  We can debate when it started, who started what, and who did what, but that's not going to change the facts and conditions on the ground as of today.  If we want to say Putin is 100% to blame it doesn't change the current dilemma faced by the Ukrainian forces.  Its about as important at this point as arguing 1st class dinner table etiquette on the deck of the Titanic as the ship's about to go under.     

 

I know there's clamoring for providing F-16's ASAP but apparently it takes an extended period of training to come up to speed on the aircraft.  Maybe the people expecting them to be flying sorties already watched Independence Day a few times and saw how an alcoholic crop dusting single prop pilot came up to speed on an advanced fighter jet (I think they might have been mostly F-15's and some F-16's) in a couple hours of classroom instruction and are wondering why its taking so long? 

 

 

Remember Peace through Power?

You don't push Putin toward an acceptable negotiated settlement by signaling that you've lost your will to fight back.

Short of Putin being ousted in some kind of coup (an extremely unlikely event), this will end with some kind of negotiated withdrawal. It doesn't have to end with a Ukrainian surrender, which is essentially what a lack of allied support would result in.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Remember Peace through Power?

You don't push Putin toward an acceptable negotiated settlement by signaling that you've lost your will to fight back.

Short of Putin being ousted in some kind of coup (an extremely unlikely event), this will end with some kind of negotiated withdrawal. It doesn't have to end with a Ukrainian surrender, which is essentially what a lack of allied support would result in.

Whatever happened to walking and chewing gum at the same time? You seem to suggest is that you’d only start negotiating once Russian forces are pushed backed to the border at the time this all started. If that’s the case, there’s no point in negotiating.