Roundybout Posted March 3, 2023 Posted March 3, 2023 On 3/2/2023 at 9:41 AM, SoCal Deek said: And then….poof….Crimea became part of Russia, while Barry stood by and did nothing. Funny how that worked out. Obama’s foreign policy of “line in the sand” was terrible. Should have helped then. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted March 3, 2023 Posted March 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Roundybout said: Obama’s foreign policy of “line in the sand” was terrible. Should have helped then. Obamas foreign policy/legacy is illegal drone wars and the thousands killed by them. 1
T&C Posted March 3, 2023 Posted March 3, 2023 What's another 400 million.. hey. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/politics/2023/03/03/u-s--to-send-more-ammo--folding-armored-bridges-to-ukraine
B-Man Posted March 3, 2023 Posted March 3, 2023 1 hour ago, T&C said: What's another 400 million.. hey. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/politics/2023/03/03/u-s--to-send-more-ammo--folding-armored-bridges-to-ukraine Karine Jean-Pierre happy to announce 33rd ‘security assistance package’ for Ukraine Americans are seeing higher utility bills, inflation continues to hit hard when it comes to groceries and other necessities, gas prices are still high and US bank deposits were down in 2022 for the first time in 74 years. But rest easy, because White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre had an announcement that might help ease the economic pain: From the State Department: Pursuant to a delegation of authority from President Biden, I am authorizing our 33rd drawdown of U.S. arms and equipment for Ukraine since August 2021, valued at $400 million. This military assistance package includes more ammunition for U.S.-provided HIMARS and howitzers, which Ukraine is using so effectively to defend itself, as well as ammunition for Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles, Armored Vehicle Launched Bridges, demolitions munitions and equipment, and other maintenance, training, and support. Will that also include more money to cover retirement pensions in Ukraine while many Americans are having to dip into their 401Ks just to get by? https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/03/03/karine-jean-pierre-happy-to-announce-33rd-security-assistance-package-for-ukraine/ https://www.state.gov/additional-u-s-military-assistance-for-ukraine/ .
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 3, 2023 Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chris farley said: Obamas foreign policy/legacy is illegal drone wars and the thousands killed by them. Ironic and counterintuitive, if you kill enough people you can win the Nobel Peace Prize. Edited March 3, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 1
Roundybout Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 3 hours ago, B-Man said: Karine Jean-Pierre happy to announce 33rd ‘security assistance package’ for Ukraine Americans are seeing higher utility bills, inflation continues to hit hard when it comes to groceries and other necessities, gas prices are still high and US bank deposits were down in 2022 for the first time in 74 years. But rest easy, because White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre had an announcement that might help ease the economic pain: From the State Department: Pursuant to a delegation of authority from President Biden, I am authorizing our 33rd drawdown of U.S. arms and equipment for Ukraine since August 2021, valued at $400 million. This military assistance package includes more ammunition for U.S.-provided HIMARS and howitzers, which Ukraine is using so effectively to defend itself, as well as ammunition for Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles, Armored Vehicle Launched Bridges, demolitions munitions and equipment, and other maintenance, training, and support. Will that also include more money to cover retirement pensions in Ukraine while many Americans are having to dip into their 401Ks just to get by? https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/03/03/karine-jean-pierre-happy-to-announce-33rd-security-assistance-package-for-ukraine/ https://www.state.gov/additional-u-s-military-assistance-for-ukraine/ . How would money from the military budget help inflation? Or, could this just be another GOP temper tantrum?
sherpa Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Roundybout said: How would money from the military budget help inflation? Or, could this just be another GOP temper tantrum? I'm not sure I understand he question, but demand is demand. There is a great deal of misunderstanding about military expenditures, but we are way beyond committing existing, paid for munitions, and what we are providing the Ukraine is going to be replaced at higher cost, thus increasing demand. Given that the US operates at a huge deficit, this money is borrowed, increasing the demand for capital, and directly inflationary. Edited March 4, 2023 by sherpa
Motorin' Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/2/2023 at 8:40 AM, SCBills said: It was verified to be on that Ukrainian govt linked website. I’ll counter you with this … What media is going to report that? Western media? They can’t even tell us the truth about the complexities of Crimea or the Donbas.. Zelenskyy targeting his political opponents .. The actual presence of Nazi’s in different govt linked battalions .. The corruption in that country. None of that absolves Russia from a full scale invasion, but actual criticisms of Ukraine are suppressed and we are given pro-Ukraine propaganda nonstop. Yet you apparently need CNN to verify so you don’t need to do any research yourself? Just let them tell you what you want to hear, right? There's a Ukrainian gov website that publishes a state sanctioned hit list?
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 Can we please stop the BS about this war being fake? I just met a guy who presented a Rotary program after driving and delivering an ambulance to Ukraine. So far we've delivered 3 and a 4th is on its way. An ambulance lasts about 3 months before it's destroyed by the Russians there. The pics he showed were heartbreaking. Don't know his political affiliation but he didn't strike me as a liberal. 1
yall Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Can we please stop the BS about this war being fake? I just met a guy who presented a Rotary program after driving and delivering an ambulance to Ukraine. So far we've delivered 3 and a 4th is on its way. An ambulance lasts about 3 months before it's destroyed by the Russians there. The pics he showed were heartbreaking. Don't know his political affiliation but he didn't strike me as a liberal. "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." Jean-Paul Sartre These are the type of people you're dealing with when it comes to the denial nonsense. They are not engaged in good faith dialogue and will retreat behind some guise of "only joking" or name calling when you point it out. Edited March 4, 2023 by yall 2 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 36 minutes ago, yall said: "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." Jean-Paul Sartre These are the type of people you're dealing with when it comes to the denial nonsense. They are not engaged in good faith dialogue and will retreat behind some guise of "only joking" or name calling when you point it out. therefore, we can ignore comments from those cranks and propagandists with obvious malignant intent who deny the reality of this terrible war. 2
Coffeesforclosers Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 2 hours ago, redtail hawk said: Can we please stop the BS about this war being fake? I just met a guy who presented a Rotary program after driving and delivering an ambulance to Ukraine. So far we've delivered 3 and a 4th is on its way. An ambulance lasts about 3 months before it's destroyed by the Russians there. The pics he showed were heartbreaking. Don't know his political affiliation but he didn't strike me as a liberal. Twitterbrain is real. Were I Russia, I'd want to stop this war as quickly as possible. Usually when global diplomats are laughing in the face of your foreign minister...in public...it means you've lost respect. Certainly nobody laughed at Russia before this war started. But they do now. Even Colin Powell's bogus bull#### on Iraq and WMDs was received with more dignity that Lavrov's moralizing talking points. 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: . And @B-Mancheers them on… 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 41 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: And @B-Mancheers them on… The video starts with the line "It's day 373 of Vladimir Putin's 10 Day Special Military Operation..." and moves on in the same spirit. Sky's not exactly being sympathetic to Putin. The battles for Bakhmut are winding down, Russia's going to take the city as expected. Nobody knows why they want it so badly but hey, they're getting it so bully for them? 1
B-Man Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: The video starts with the line "It's day 373 of Vladimir Putin's 10 Day Special Military Operation..." and moves on in the same spirit. Sky's not exactly being sympathetic to Putin. The battles for Bakhmut are winding down, Russia's going to take the city as expected. Nobody knows why they want it so badly but hey, they're getting it so bully for them? You are correct. My red-tailed shadow likes to respond without thinking. Two Ukrainian pilots are in the U.S. for training assessment on attack aircraft, including F-16s Their arrival marks the first time Ukrainian pilots have traveled to the U.S. to have their skills evaluated by American military trainers. https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/two-ukrainian-pilots-are-us-training-assessment-attack-aircrafts-f-16s-rcna73426
BillStime Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, B-Man said: Two Ukrainian pilots are in the U.S. for training assessment on attack aircraft, including F-16s You seem upset
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