All_Pro_Bills Posted February 28, 2023 Posted February 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Does not make any sense at all. You guys do the anti-war act, yet the cost is the enslavement of a free people. So ya, you complaining about us supporting a free nation in their defense of liberty is an indirect support of Putin. You yourself have complained about democracy. So seeing us defend freedom, liberty and a republic would not be in your interests, it seems The voices that have come out in praise of Putin kind of give the game away, also All your tugging at the heart strings and drama aside, the hard cold facts are its not worth spending $100+ billion of borrowed funds and committing to some undefined open-ended goal and objective "doing whatever it takes" while this administration ignores all kinds of problems and needs here at home. And strategically the country means nothing nor does it have any impact on the US homeland in terms of security. The objective to weaken Russia is not going to result in regime change or destroy the Russian economy. Washington's policies have drawn China and Russia, and other economic and military adversaries closer together then they could have accomplished on their own. On all fronts its a strategic blunder. America will exit another frivolous foreign adventure weaker. Count on it. 2
Roundybout Posted February 28, 2023 Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: All your tugging at the heart strings and drama aside, the hard cold facts are its not worth spending $100+ billion of borrowed funds and committing to some undefined open-ended goal and objective "doing whatever it takes" while this administration ignores all kinds of problems and needs here at home. Why? It's military money and a fraction of what we spent in the Middle East. 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: And strategically the country means nothing nor does it have any impact on the US homeland in terms of security. The objective to weaken Russia is not going to result in regime change or destroy the Russian economy. Washington's policies have drawn China and Russia, and other economic and military adversaries closer together then they could have accomplished on their own. On all fronts its a strategic blunder. America will exit another frivolous foreign adventure weaker. Count on it. China's "peace plan" was soundly rejected today. Xi doesn't want to support Russia either. Which countries are "drawn together?" Edited February 28, 2023 by Roundybout 1
BillStime Posted February 28, 2023 Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: regime change Does Putin have a future whatsoever given what he is doing to Ukraine? And why is the cult obsessed with regime change? 1
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2023 Author Posted March 1, 2023 18 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: All your tugging at the heart strings and drama aside, the hard cold facts are its not worth spending $100+ billion of borrowed funds and committing to some undefined open-ended goal and objective "doing whatever it takes" while this administration ignores all kinds of problems and needs here at home. And strategically the country means nothing nor does it have any impact on the US homeland in terms of security. The objective to weaken Russia is not going to result in regime change or destroy the Russian economy. Washington's policies have drawn China and Russia, and other economic and military adversaries closer together then they could have accomplished on their own. On all fronts its a strategic blunder. America will exit another frivolous foreign adventure weaker. Count on it. Oh, now its about the money! Ok 1
TSOL Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Crimea has been predominantly Russian for a long time before this war. 2 1
SCBills Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, TSOL said: Crimea has been predominantly Russian for a long time before this war. Yup .. what the media, and their willing sheep don’t realize.. Crimea & Donbas are far more complicated then most believe. Russia obviously crossed the line (after US/West constantly provoked them) but they’ve been warring over those territories for a while now, and most who live in those places identify as Russian. 1 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 8 hours ago, SCBills said: Yup .. what the media, and their willing sheep don’t realize.. Crimea & Donbas are far more complicated then most believe. Russia obviously crossed the line (after US/West constantly provoked them) but they’ve been warring over those territories for a while now, and most who live in those places identify as Russian. Warning: Attempting to objectively understand the history and things like the ethnic and cultural composition of Crimea will get you labeled as a Putin sympathizer. You're supposed to believe everything you're told, not do too much thinking, and certainly not question any of it. Interestingly Crimea was a territory of Greece known as Tauris before becoming part of the Roman Empire about 60 BC. Dominion over the province was transferred from empire to empire until it fell under Russia about 180 years ago. Then in 1954 former Soviet Premier Kryschev transferred sovereignty to the Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic. After the fall of the Soviet Union the province gained some degree of independence but then came under the control of the Ukrainian central government while still having some degree of autonomy. Then came the Maiden riots, the Russian invasion and here we are. A recent referendum of citizens voted overwhelming to become part of Russia again although we know with 100% confidence the election was rigged. We know this because the same people that told us all the elections they win in our country are fair told us so. Another tip: Don't question election results when the "good" guys win and the "bad" guys lose (but when the results go the other way please do question the results). Just remember the main theme here. Believe everything you're told and don't question anything. The establishment thanks you for your obedience. 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 9 hours ago, SCBills said: lots of folks doubt russian elections. but they had one and seemed to show overwhelming Russian support in that region. 1
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 👆😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 It’s amazing - all of this LOVE for Russia started in 2016. I wonder why… 1
sherpa Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 The human story behind the headline of a Ukrainian pilot losing his life trying to avoid crashing into a village. Four minute youtube.with actual footage. 1
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Attempting to objectively understand the history JFC - please stop - you have rewritten history a million times here and run away every time you get called out. idiots
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 9 hours ago, SCBills said: after US/West constantly provoked them Yeah I can’t believe the US/West is at fault for Mr KGB’s well known plans to restore the pre-1917 Russian empire. What a good little simp you are, Comrade! America First!
Tommy Callahan Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, BillStime said: Yeah I can’t believe the US/West is at fault for Mr KGB’s well known plans to restore the pre-1917 Russian empire. What a good little simp you are, Comrade! America First! Maybe they go back even further and old Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his vision of the Turkish/ottoman empire comes to fruition?
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Maybe they go back even further and old Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his vision of the Turkish/ottoman empire comes to fruition? And you would still blame the US. America First!
Tommy Callahan Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, BillStime said: And you would still blame the US. America First! Blame America? And America first in response to war in Ukraine? shouldn't it be Ukraine first? democracy first? peace first? But eff it. wave the American flag. while the bombs fall and bullets fly. its not americans dying, amirite.
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, Chris farley said: Blame America? And America first in response to war in Ukraine? shouldn't it be Ukraine first? democracy first? peace first? But eff it. wave the American flag. while the bombs fall and bullets fly. its not americans dying, amirite. And you would still blame the US. #DRproud
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 35 minutes ago, BillStime said: JFC - please stop - you have rewritten history a million times here and run away every time you get called out. idiots You're a good company man always consistently obedient to the system and the tales they tell. What exactly did I re-write? As for being called out, by who? You? To be straight about it I don't see much value in committing any more of my time to getting into a long back and forth with you because while I'm willing to adjust or change my views in debating and discussing topics you are definitely not. So what's the point? 1
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Posted March 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You're a good company man always consistently obedient to the system and the tales they tell. What exactly did I re-write? As for being called out, by who? You? To be straight about it I don't see much value in committing any more of my time to getting into a long back and forth with you because while I'm willing to adjust or change my views in debating and discussing topics you are definitely not. So what's the point? Perfect - let’s start here: On 2/26/2023 at 5:38 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: Jack Smith has a history of being a Clinton attack dog, so the characterization has merit.
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