Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[BillStime]

12 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

No, I’m pretty sure that if we stopped supplying Ukraine and made them give Putin what he wants, then Putin will totally stop and world peace will ensue with rainbows and puppies for all. 

 

Yep exactly

 

 

 

Putin wont' stop until this map is "correct" - and the cult will cheer him on...

 

[Big Blitz]

56 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Yep exactly

 

 

 

Putin wont' stop until this map is "correct" - and the cult will cheer him on...

 

 

 

 

 

Thought exercise.  
 

If this happened (it won’t), what parade of horribles is Russia bringing with them?

 

See in 1945 when Democrats handed all that in Eastern Europe over to Stalin, we knew communism was the threat.  
 

Still is.  It doesn’t know or need borders - it doesn’t need to nationalize any industry - that’s laughable in 2023 earth.  You just make everything bow to the State and it’s wishes either through money or fear of a cancellation.  

 

We opposed that in the Cold War.  And when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait everyone - even the corrupt UN - knew what to do and was on the same page.  
 

Why isn’t that the case now?   
 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

In fact.  Where the heck is the UN?

 

Remember when Ds said all foreign actions need UN approval?  
 

Man you idiots are so being played.  

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Thought exercise.  
 

If this happened (it won’t), what parade of horribles is Russia bringing with them?

 

See in 1945 when Democrats handed all that in Eastern Europe over to Stalin, we knew communism was the threat.  
 

Still is.  It doesn’t know or need borders - it doesn’t need to nationalize any industry - that’s laughable in 2023 earth.  You just make everything bow to the State and it’s wishes either through money or fear of a cancellation.  

 

We opposed that in the Cold War.  And when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait everyone - even the corrupt UN - knew what to do and was on the same page.  
 

Why isn’t that the case now?   
 

 

The big Yalta lie… George Bush is proud of you.

[Coffeesforclosers]

So watch for this over the next couple of days, but Ukrainian and Russian sources are reporting numerous missile strikes around Mariupol.  While technically still in HIMARS range, it's more likely that the Ukrainians are shooting GLSMDBs. That's Ground Launched Small Diameter Bombs. 

 

It's a projectile that pretty much puts all of Ukraine up to its internationally recognized borders within range of the Ukrainian army. If true, of course. Ukraine's M/O with weapons like this is usually to target supply stockpiles, starting with fuel depots and ammo dumps. Then spots where Russian generals like to hang out.  Since in the Russian Army, the officers do all the thinking and the artillery and tanks do most of the killing*,  those priorities make a lot of sense. 

 

 

[BillStime]

What a freakin shitshow 
 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You know, we could save the planet if we just hooked Reagan’s coffin to the power grid. He’s gotta be spinning so fast he could power the entire country. 

Edited February 22, 2023 by ChiGoose

[Big Blitz]

4 hours ago, BillStime said:

The big Yalta lie… George Bush is proud of you.

 

Where is the UN?

 

You didn’t address any of those questions.  
 

I guess the thought exercise was too much for you.  

[Big Blitz]

When FDR and the Democrats bent over for Stalin…….but we really need to fear THIS Russia

 

 

When the United Nations charter was signed in 1945, it established the Security Council with five permanent members and six nonpermanent members. The permanent members -- the US, the UK, France, the Soviet Union, and the Republic of China -- were each given the power to veto any resolutions they opposed.

 

"It was Franklin Roosevelt who wanted to set up an organization that would police the world after the defeat of Nazi Germany," Gowan said. "But the only way he could get Russia and other powers to agree to that deal, was if they had the ability to block any actions against themselves." 

 

The late Soviet Union leader Joseph Stalin himself insisted on that power as a way for his state to protect itself.

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/04/15/politics/united-nations-ukraine-russia/index.html

Oh!

 

Looks like in a Democratic world, they are siding with Russia:

 

 

The UN General Assembly has condemned Russia twice over the war in Ukraine; those resolutions are nonbinding but carry symbolic weight. Russia was also suspended from the Human Rights Council, which requires a two-thirds vote.

 

But Bolton said the math behind that vote shows Russia has significant support around the world; the voting result was 93 in favor, 24 against and 58 abstentions. A remaining 18 member states were not included in that result.

 

"So here's the real headline ... A majority of the members of the United Nations, did not vote to expel Russia," he told Borger.

 

 

 

 

—Democracy 

 

[Big Blitz]

Ukraine Is a Distraction From Taiwan

 

Getting bogged down in Europe will impede the U.S.’s ability to compete with China in the Pacific.

 

The U.S. can no longer afford to spread its military across the world. The reason is simple: an increasingly aggressive China, the most powerful state to rise in the international system since the U.S. itself. By some measures, China’s economy is now the world’s largest. And it has built a military to match its economic heft. Twenty-five years ago, the Chinese military was backward and obsolete. But extraordinary increases in Beijing’s defense budget over more than two decades, and top political leaders’ razor-sharp focus, have transformed the People’s Liberation Army into one of the strongest militaries the world has ever seen.
 

China’s new military is capable not only of territorial defense but of projecting power. Besides boasting the largest navy in the world by ship count, China enjoys some capabilities, like certain types of hypersonic weapons, that even the U.S. hasn’t developed. 
 

Most urgently, China poses an increasingly imminent threat to Taiwan. Xi Jinping has made clear that his platform of “national rejuvenation” can’t be successful until Taiwan unifies with the mainland—whether it wants to or not. The PLA is growing more confident in its ability to conquer Taiwan even if the U.S. intervenes. Given China’s military and economic strength, China’s leaders reasonably doubt that the U.S. or anyone else would mount a meaningful response to an invasion of Taiwan. To give a sense of his resolve, Mr. Xi warned that any “foreign forces” standing in China’s way would have “their heads . . . bashed bloody against a Great Wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people.”

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-is-a-distraction-from-taiwan-russia-china-nato-global-powers-military-invasion-jinping-biden-putin-europe-11644781247
 

 

Xi:  “Vlad.”

 

Vlad:  ‘Sup my dude.”

 

Xi:  “Need you to carry on that invasion of Ukraine.  The West, led by blue haired Karens that have Fauci bumper stickers on their car will immediately demand all focus and energy of the U.S. government that we control shift it’s resources to defending that 3rd world dump Brandon needs to launder money.”

 

Vlad:  “But they’ll cancel me.”  

*Pause*
 

*Both laugh hysterically*.  

 

Vlad:  “You got it.  The useful idiots over there will ultimately just pretend they’re going to war with Trump’s bff and thus Trump himself. God they are so stupid.”

 

Xi:  “Agreed.  They listened to legit every piece of b.s. we fed them about Covid.  Agent Fauci played his role perfectly.  Well, thanks Vlad.  
 

Vlad:  “Peace out.”

[Tiberius]

7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Ukraine Is a Distraction From Taiwan

 

Getting bogged down in Europe will impede the U.S.’s ability to compete with China in the Pacific.

 

The U.S. can no longer afford to spread its military across the world. The reason is simple: an increasingly aggressive China, the most powerful state to rise in the international system since the U.S. itself. By some measures, China’s economy is now the world’s largest. And it has built a military to match its economic heft. Twenty-five years ago, the Chinese military was backward and obsolete. But extraordinary increases in Beijing’s defense budget over more than two decades, and top political leaders’ razor-sharp focus, have transformed the People’s Liberation Army into one of the strongest militaries the world has ever seen.
 

China’s new military is capable not only of territorial defense but of projecting power. Besides boasting the largest navy in the world by ship count, China enjoys some capabilities, like certain types of hypersonic weapons, that even the U.S. hasn’t developed. 
 

Most urgently, China poses an increasingly imminent threat to Taiwan. Xi Jinping has made clear that his platform of “national rejuvenation” can’t be successful until Taiwan unifies with the mainland—whether it wants to or not. The PLA is growing more confident in its ability to conquer Taiwan even if the U.S. intervenes. Given China’s military and economic strength, China’s leaders reasonably doubt that the U.S. or anyone else would mount a meaningful response to an invasion of Taiwan. To give a sense of his resolve, Mr. Xi warned that any “foreign forces” standing in China’s way would have “their heads . . . bashed bloody against a Great Wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people.”

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-is-a-distraction-from-taiwan-russia-china-nato-global-powers-military-invasion-jinping-biden-putin-europe-11644781247
 

 

Xi:  “Vlad.”

 

Vlad:  ‘Sup my dude.”

 

Xi:  “Need you to carry on that invasion of Ukraine.  The West, led by blue haired Karens that have Fauci bumper stickers on their car will immediately demand all focus and energy of the U.S. government that we control shift it’s resources to defending that 3rd world dump Brandon needs to launder money.”

 

Vlad:  “But they’ll cancel me.”  

*Pause*
 

*Both laugh hysterically*.  

 

Vlad:  “You got it.  The useful idiots over there will ultimately just pretend they’re going to war with Trump’s bff and thus Trump himself. God they are so stupid.”

 

Xi:  “Agreed.  They listened to legit every piece of b.s. we fed them about Covid.  Agent Fauci played his role perfectly.  Well, thanks Vlad.  
 

Vlad:  “Peace out.”

A Chinese attempt on Taiwan would almost certainly end in failure. Crossing a hundred mile straight to put and supply an invasion force would be almost impossible in the face of a determined and well supplied defense. 

[BillStime]

8 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Where is the UN?

 

You didn’t address any of those questions.  
 

I guess the thought exercise was too much for you.  

 

When it comes the cult - it is ALWAYS someone else's fault.

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

Like, I know China has all these big brained plans that we can't possibly stop...

 

But why invade Taiwan, start a war with Taiwan, the US, and possibly Japan, South Korea and Australia... that won't just involve a naval battle around Taiwan... because the USN would start a distant blockade of China... meaning the PLAAN would have to sail out into blue water and fight all over the Indian Ocean and the Pacific... 

 

It doesn't make any sense. Especially when China is dependent on American and European capital to fund it's economic growth.

 

Until you start looking at how China can get what it wants, without severing ties with (((The Globalist Agenda))). China needs food, capital and energy. The biggest capital markets in the world are the EU and the US. The biggest food exporters in the world are the US and its allies. All of China's oil flows through oceans controlled by the USN and its Allies. Invading Taiwan is a... risky proposition, no? 

 

But wait. Nobody likes Russia. And you can drive a tank to Russia. America and its Allies aren't going to fight you to protect Russia, because Ukraine. Siberia has all the oil and raw materials China could ever need. And the Russian Army is a gutted shell bleeding to death in the Donbass. 

 

So why not convince Putin you're totally going to invade Taiwan and be his best friend forever... right up to the point where you park the PLA on the Russian border and declare a Special Military Operation?

 

Just asking questions. 

[Tommy Callahan]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

See, this would be a perfect place for your "Bloodbath" comment.

 

Why do you all hate the idea of accountability/trackability of the money sent to ukraine?

 

 

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

See, this would be a perfect place for your "Bloodbath" comment.

 

Why do you all hate the idea of accountability/trackability of the money sent to ukraine?

 

 

Are you trying to hide your allegiance to Putin?

[B-Man]

 

 

Unease Over Biden’s Proxy Quagmire in Ukraine Is Growing. 

 

“The lack of clarity on exactly what America’s priorities are there has bothered me all along as well. Yeah, we want to help. But how much and for how long?

 

After all, this country has had some rough history when it comes to getting involved in wars when our intentions are vague.”

 

https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2023/02/22/the-morning-briefing-unease-over-bidens-proxy-quagmire-in-ukraine-is-growing-n1672711

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

THAT WOULD BE NICE: 

Russian military expert on Ukraine: ‘War could end this year.’ 

 

“I don’t see how this can continue in the present pattern for a long time. It’s like football, you never know what’s going to happen actually on the battlefield.

 

There’s a well-known saying that ‘Russia is never a strong as your fear’, as we see during this year, but ‘Russia is also never as weak as you hope’. So you can’t just write off Russia. The intensity of the fighting is too high for it to be maintained for long.”

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/21/qa-dr-pavel-felgenhauer-russia-ukraine-war

 

 

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[BillsFanNC]

Blatant propagandists. 

 

 

 

Lincoln visiting Fort Stevens and actually coming under fire anyone?

 

https://www.lincolncottage.org/a-close-call-at-fort-stevens/

 

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Blatant propagandists. 

 

 

 

Lincoln visiting Fort Stevens and actually coming under fire anyone?

 

https://www.lincolncottage.org/a-close-call-at-fort-stevens/

 

49th New York from Buffalo was one of the units at Fort Stevens and the commander who led the attack to drive the Confederates away was Benjamin Bidwell (Bidwell Boulevard) of Buffalo 

 

I read one account that it was a soldier from the 49th who stopped the president before he entered the fort. 
 

Bidwell would die a few months later at the Cedar Creek battle. The horse Sheridan road back to the battle is stuffed and on display at the Smithsonian