Chef Jim Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: The Bush Administration led us to war, it launched a public relations campaign, a political campaign and ultimately a military campaign to gin up the war. They mislead the country into the war. What do I win?
SoCal Deek Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: The original point you objected to still stands though, the WH is being used today to stop a war, in 2003 it was used to start one. Tibs…you’ve really got to be kidding. These two circumstances are literally nothing alike. I think you’re reaching here. 1
Tiberius Posted February 20, 2022 Author Posted February 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Tibs…you’ve really got to be kidding. These two circumstances are literally nothing alike. I think you’re reaching here. Thank you. That’s my point. @reddogblitz 1
SoCal Deek Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Thank you. That’s my point. @reddogblitz You’re welcome. I’m here for you dude! 👍
SoCal Deek Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 In these very troubling times a lone but prophetic figure will arise to guide the people back from the brink of war….he/she is of course…Kamala Harris! 😳
Niagara Bill Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 So, if Ukraine is not important enough to have an actual war, what country is important enough for conflict. Georgia? Poland? Finland? Can there be a war? If not how do you stop the new Hitler at a time of nuclear warheads. Russia has never been shy about sacrificing citizens in conflicts. 1938/39 saw the world wait too long... 2022, there will not be opertunity for conventional build up, Daunting challenges, 1
sherpa Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Tiberius said: As to the aftermath, that was obvious, it was completely predictable It was completely predictable? To who? Not to the US Ambassador to Kuwait who, being the senior diplomat in the region authored a State Dept. Communique direct to Saddam stating that any invasion of Kuwait would be responded to by the US. This occurred the day after the famous Saddam/April Glaspie meeting. The same guy who stayed in the US Embassy in Kuwait under siege during the brief Iraqi occupation. A career Middle East diplomat with extensive Arab world contacts. He said that, regarding the 2003 expulsion of the regime, the aftermath was completely unpredictable, which is why I didn't want it to happen. Maybe you knew more about the situation than he did. You are doing what disingenuous scoundrels do. You are using hindsight to claim knowledge held before hand. You had no knowledge of what would happen, nor did anyone else who is honest. Edited February 20, 2022 by sherpa
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 46 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: So, if Ukraine is not important enough to have an actual war, what country is important enough for conflict. Georgia? Poland? Finland? Can there be a war? If not how do you stop the new Hitler at a time of nuclear warheads. Russia has never been shy about sacrificing citizens in conflicts. 1938/39 saw the world wait too long... 2022, there will not be opertunity for conventional build up, Daunting challenges, With all due respect, what about Canada? Should the US invade Canada to restore democracy? Should NATO act? Should the governments of other democracies express concerns and outrage at the invoking of emergency powers? I mean, Putin puts one "activist" in jail and the entire world expresses condemnation but not a peep here from any democracy. Should a Navy Seal Team be dispatched to Ottawa to abduct PM Trudeau and bring him to Washington to stand trial for crimes against his citizens? Because after Trudeau's emergency powers order I'm hard pressed to articulate what the difference is between living in Trudeau's Canada and Putin's Russia. From where I sit Trudeau's actions are perfectly consistent with the way Putin or Xi would have handled it. Some person or group resist your rule invoke powers and send in security forces to crush them and destroy their lives in the process along with anyone you identify that has provided any kind of support to their cause. So why ask fellow Canadians or Americans, to put their asses on the line to protect freedom and democracy in various foreign lands when our governments are committed to doing neither of that when it comes to domestic policies. 1
SoCal Deek Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: With all due respect, what about Canada? Should the US invade Canada to restore democracy? Should NATO act? Should the governments of other democracies express concerns and outrage at the invoking of emergency powers? I mean, Putin puts one "activist" in jail and the entire world expresses condemnation but not a peep here from any democracy. Should a Navy Seal Team be dispatched to Ottawa to abduct PM Trudeau and bring him to Washington to stand trial for crimes against his citizens? Because after Trudeau's emergency powers order I'm hard pressed to articulate what the difference is between living in Trudeau's Canada and Putin's Russia. From where I sit Trudeau's actions are perfectly consistent with the way Putin or Xi would have handled it. Some person or group resist your rule invoke powers and send in security forces to crush them and destroy their lives in the process along with anyone you identify that has provided any kind of support to their cause. So why ask fellow Canadians or Americans, to put their asses on the line to protect freedom and democracy in various foreign lands when our governments are committed to doing neither of that when it comes to domestic policies. Wait….Canada is an actual country? Since when? (I just looked it up and apparently you’re right. Go figure!)
Niagara Bill Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: With all due respect, what about Canada? Should the US invade Canada to restore democracy? Should NATO act? Should the governments of other democracies express concerns and outrage at the invoking of emergency powers? I mean, Putin puts one "activist" in jail and the entire world expresses condemnation but not a peep here from any democracy. Should a Navy Seal Team be dispatched to Ottawa to abduct PM Trudeau and bring him to Washington to stand trial for crimes against his citizens? Because after Trudeau's emergency powers order I'm hard pressed to articulate what the difference is between living in Trudeau's Canada and Putin's Russia. From where I sit Trudeau's actions are perfectly consistent with the way Putin or Xi would have handled it. Some person or group resist your rule invoke powers and send in security forces to crush them and destroy their lives in the process along with anyone you identify that has provided any kind of support to their cause. So why ask fellow Canadians or Americans, to put their asses on the line to protect freedom and democracy in various foreign lands when our governments are committed to doing neither of that when it comes to Wow, you are sooooooo knowledgeable about the world....I'm impressed. So let's see...protestors were allowed 3 weeks of illegal control, no one was killed, very very little violence police were respectful, no looting, press access, warning after warning vs... 4 dead in Ohio, Watts, National guard in Virginia, 1968 Chicago, Jan 6, 20 yrs of Guantanamo, the highest prison rate in the western world. Yes Trudeau went too far with this law, which will not pass on Monday so a mute point, where unlike Russia, voting actually matters...a slightly different view than trump has in elections.. But is your protest focused on the freezing of your contribution...hmmmm
Chef Jim Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Wait….Canada is an actual country? Since when? (I just looked it up and apparently you’re right. Go figure!) Relax Bill. It’s a joke. 😉
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Wow, you are sooooooo knowledgeable about the world....I'm impressed. So let's see...protestors were allowed 3 weeks of illegal control, no one was killed, very very little violence police were respectful, no looting, press access, warning after warning vs... 4 dead in Ohio, Watts, National guard in Virginia, 1968 Chicago, Jan 6, 20 yrs of Guantanamo, the highest prison rate in the western world. Yes Trudeau went too far with this law, which will not pass on Monday so a mute point, where unlike Russia, voting actually matters...a slightly different view than trump has in elections.. But is your protest focused on the freezing of your contribution...hmmmm Well, I'm glad you're impressed!! 1
Chef Jim Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Well, I'm glad you're impressed!! He’s Canadian. Easy to impress. It’s another joke Bill. 1
B-Man Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 Back to the thread...... MATT TAIBBI: Another All-Time Media Faceplant: After the Biden administration and the press wrongly predicted a Russian invasion of Ukraine on February 16th, they kept compounding the error in spectacular fashion. https://taibbi.substack.com/p/another-all-time-media-faceplant?utm_source=url
reddogblitz Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 9 hours ago, Tiberius said: Don’t need to. I thought your point, anyway, was that our invading a country in 2003 is the same as us trying to stop a war now. That’s stupid. That's not what I said. That's what you said I said. You make patently ridiculous comments about the run up to the Iraq War. I don't know if you were not paying attention 20 years ago or were too young. I provided a short video going over then Senator Biden's role. Instead of watching it and discussing it you choose to be will fully ignorant cuz Go Donkey Team. Sad.
reddogblitz Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 8 hours ago, Tiberius said: Thank you. That’s my point. @reddogblitz Situations may be different. Never said they weren't. Its the same war monger guy making the decision that got the last one horribly wrong. That's my concern. Bush never could have led us to war without a lot of help from Senator Biden. I know you don't want to believe that so stay willfully ignorant. 3 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: So, if Ukraine is not important enough to have an actual war, what country is important enough for conflict. Georgia? Poland? Finland? Can there be a war? If not how do you stop the new Hitler at a time of nuclear warheads. Russia has never been shy about sacrificing citizens in conflicts. 1938/39 saw the world wait too long... 2022, there will not be opertunity for conventional build up, Daunting challenges, This talk reminds me of "he gassed his own people." Don't fall for this nonsense again.
Niagara Bill Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 Red...the question, when is the point of no return for a response. What us even possible with today's weapons
B-Man Posted February 20, 2022 Posted February 20, 2022 Russian Military Has ‘Received Orders Now To Proceed With The Invasion’ Of Ukraine, Report Says. One of these times it might actually happen. https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-russian-military-has-received-orders-now-to-proceed-with-the-invasion-of-ukraine-report-says
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, B-Man said: Russian Military Has ‘Received Orders Now To Proceed With The Invasion’ Of Ukraine, Report Says. One of these times it might actually happen. https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-russian-military-has-received-orders-now-to-proceed-with-the-invasion-of-ukraine-report-says It's like US intelligence services are right there in the command bunker with Russian military commanders. What's beautiful about it all is none of these reports can be verified or falsified. So, if it's not today then its tomorrow. Or as the weather guy on the news said tonight. It might rain and snow on Tuesday, or start as rain and turn to snow, or start as snow to rain, or stay all rain, or stay or snow, or mixed precipitation or we might not have any precipitation, or the Russians might attack on Monday and if not maybe on Tuesday. Tune in Tuesday night for an update. 1
B-Man Posted February 21, 2022 Posted February 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: It's like US intelligence services are right there in the command bunker with Russian military commanders. What's beautiful about it all is none of these reports can be verified or falsified. So, if it's not today then its tomorrow. Or as the weather guy on the news said tonight. It might rain and snow on Tuesday, or start as rain and turn to snow, or start as snow to rain, or stay all rain, or stay or snow, or mixed precipitation or we might not have any precipitation, or the Russians might attack on Monday and if not maybe on Tuesday. Tune in Tuesday night for an update. I agree with you completely, but I still think that I am going to fill both vehicles in the morning. 🤔
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