Tiberius Posted January 9, 2023 Author Share Posted January 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, B-Man said: Your first comment (weapons = blank check) is so absurd there is no proper response Your second comment, that "we" want to help Putin, you know is false from previous comments "we" have made here. and yet you keep claiming it when discussion is attempted. Why is that ? Don't bother answering "we" know why. . You want to stop.... What are we doing, funding freedom fighters fighting for their democracy, yet you want to STOP the blank check. Putin helped you guys in elections, and we are suppose to ignore that and this STOP the checks Ok Can you at least admit that Putin is a terrorist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Hahahahahahahahahaha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Tiberius said: You want to stop.... What are we doing, funding freedom fighters fighting for their democracy, yet you want to STOP the blank check. Putin helped you guys in elections, and we are suppose to ignore that and this STOP the checks Ok Can you at least admit that Putin is a terrorist? What we're doing is supplying an almost unlimited amount of resources to engage in a US/NATO led proxy war of attrition against Russia using Ukrainian soldiers and civilians as cannon fodder. I personally know many Ukrainians, as my sister-in-law and her family are Ukrainian, through helping with humanitarian aid efforts during the conflict and I can tell you with certainty the majority as they watch their home country being destroyed do not share your view of the conflict or their government or your view of Russia or the motivations of the U.S. So please stop being a useful idiot for this senseless carnage. Everyone, everywhere needs to start demanding all parties come to terms for peace. Edited January 10, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty. This much we pledge--and more. To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided there is little we can do--for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Stil no one can identify the end goal in Ukraine. but one this is for sure. if we send them more money, more weapons and more "volunteer fighters" the Ukrainian people will benefit. that's a give in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 1/10/2023 at 7:31 AM, All_Pro_Bills said: What we're doing is supplying an almost unlimited amount of resources to engage in a US/NATO led proxy war of attrition against Russia using Ukrainian soldiers and civilians as cannon fodder. I personally know many Ukrainians, as my sister-in-law and her family are Ukrainian, through helping with humanitarian aid efforts during the conflict and I can tell you with certainty the majority as they watch their home country being destroyed do not share your view of the conflict or their government or your view of Russia or the motivations of the U.S. So please stop being a useful idiot for this senseless carnage. Everyone, everywhere needs to start demanding all parties come to terms for peace. We are using Ukranians as cannon fodder? That sounds like something they should be complaining about. I have not heard this argument from anyone involved. Can you enlighten us on why they are allowing us to do this? 1 minute ago, Chris farley said: Stil no one can identify the end goal in Ukraine. but one this is for sure. if we send them more money, more weapons and more "volunteer fighters" the Ukrainian people will benefit. that's a give in. Drive Russia out of Ukraine, comrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: We are using Ukranians as cannon fodder? That sounds like something they should be complaining about. I have not heard this argument from anyone involved. Can you enlighten us on why they are allowing us to do this? Drive Russia out of Ukraine, comrade So the goal is to drive out the Russian forces and the Russians that voted in that region? or just the soldiers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 Just now, Chris farley said: So the goal is to drive out the Russian forces and the Russians that voted in that region? or just the soldiers? You mean in Putin's fair elections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 So only Dominion elections that you agree with are fair. But really. would your end game involve removing the millions of russians from said areas? or just military? Then how would one maintain that border, region? and would we still be involved in that. “There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.” “In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.” if their is not attainable end goal. it just becomes another Afghanistan/Vietnam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 20 minutes ago, Tiberius said: We are using Ukranians as cannon fodder? That sounds like something they should be complaining about. I have not heard this argument from anyone involved. Can you enlighten us on why they are allowing us to do this? You must not be paying attention to how the world operates. In this case, leaders, officials, and oligarchs trading the lives of their citizens and soldiers for the big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s. Look no further than Afghanistan for a recent example when the President went on the run with suitcases full of multi-millions in American taxpayer supplied cash after the US pullout. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 24 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You must not be paying attention to how the world operates. In this case, leaders, officials, and oligarchs trading the lives of their citizens and soldiers for the big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s. Look no further than Afghanistan for a recent example when the President went on the run with suitcases full of multi-millions in American taxpayer supplied cash after the US pullout. just answer the question. You said it, now back it up. Unless you are too dumb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 26 minutes ago, Tiberius said: just answer the question. You said it, now back it up. Unless you are too dumb? You really haven't heard the point of view that the west is using this as a proxy war against Russia? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Tenhigh said: You really haven't heard the point of view that the west is using this as a proxy war against Russia? What is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Just like citizens united and corporations running elections. I do miss when the left was soundly anti war. Now they stump for never ending proxi wars. no issues at all maybe due to corporate for-profit media, and pacs say so. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Just like citizens united and corporations running elections. I do miss when the left was soundly anti war. Now they stump for never ending proxi wars. no issues at all maybe due to corporate for-profit media, and pacs say so. No. It's just that they take the opposite of whatever the Repubs support. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Isn't it obvious that Putin started the war, and he doesn't care about Russia's economic outlook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Must be running out of"generals" Russia reinstates fired general to top post as Putin escalates war in eastern Donetsk Moscow has appointed Colonel-General Alexander Lapin as chief of staff of Russia’s ground forces, despite having been ousted as commander of the Russian Armed Forces' Central Military District in October, as Russian troops pursue a massive offensive in Donetsk, reports said Tuesday. The appointment was met with criticism from Russia hawks as Russian President Vladimir Putin looks to turn the tide in the near-year long war in Ukraine, where it has made little advances since it began losing territory in September. https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-reinstates-fired-general-top-post-putin-escalates-war-eastern-donetsk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDD Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Shouldn't there actually be bi-partisan agreement that Russia needs put in its place and the Ukranian people should have access to weapons to defend themselves? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, LDD said: Shouldn't there actually be bi-partisan agreement that Russia needs put in its place and the Ukranian people should have access to weapons to defend themselves? Despite the shallow arguments that you read here, No one wants Putin or Soviet Russia to prevail in this conflict. What most people do want is accountability for U.S. citizen's spending and some type of end game plan. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Isn't it obvious that Putin started the war, and he doesn't care about Russia's economic outlook? outside of western media, not so much. many outside of the US see the 2013 Euromaidan as western backed/sanctioned coup. Its just smart to have a goal when going to war. Kinda again goes back to post 9/11 changes that gave the white house more war powers. As long as there is WAR in that country, the people of that country are suffering. from the mass exodus and refugee issue to the ones staying and trying to live with nonstop falling bombs and drone attacks. Edited January 11, 2023 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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