Tommy Callahan Posted December 30, 2022 Posted December 30, 2022 In March 2014 a coup d'état occurred in Ukraine, led by the ultranationalist organization Ukrainian National Revolutionary Front, which the recently formed government of Ukraine (in the aftermath of the Euromaidan) (Euromaidan had western, five eye, and Nato countries support) Seems every country in the world has different opinion of the Ukrainian "protest" and what led to the counter "protest" in Crimea Did they ever figure out who blew up the north stream pipeline? and in the big picture its kinda funny people talk about democracy in Ukraine when the current Ukraine government was formed by a coup and has since banned opposition parties and declared martial law. But I guess when they win (no one has defined what that is), they will just go back to standard elections. never mind the fact NATO declined their applications have been due to a lack of standards around voting, fraud and governement corruption. but now the WEF and the USA has embraced them with open arms (lots of our money) and speeches to joint sessions of congress.
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 30, 2022 Posted December 30, 2022 What is interesting to me is that people are acting like in each war there a good side, sometimes it is two bad guys. In WWII Nazis fought Soviets, neither side was good but one was better for us. In this case we have picked the "better" side but it would be best if we came up with a peace plan 1
Tommy Callahan Posted December 30, 2022 Posted December 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Orlando Tim said: What is interesting to me is that people are acting like in each war there a good side, sometimes it is two bad guys. In WWII Nazis fought Soviets, neither side was good but one was better for us. In this case we have picked the "better" side but it would be best if we came up with a peace plan Some will say we have picked the side we created.. but you and I both know that the US government would never work to topple a democratically elected government, if that government didn't align with US uni polar geopolitical ideology. Not a chance. not ever.
Tiberius Posted December 31, 2022 Author Posted December 31, 2022 22 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: What is interesting to me is that people are acting like in each war there a good side, sometimes it is two bad guys. In WWII Nazis fought Soviets, neither side was good but one was better for us. In this case we have picked the "better" side but it would be best if we came up with a peace plan Putin is the bad side. You don't see him as a terrorist? I guess not many Trump fans do. They can only process the fact that Trump and Putin are deep allies
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 31, 2022 Posted December 31, 2022 35 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Putin is the bad side. You don't see him as a terrorist? I guess not many Trump fans do. They can only process the fact that Trump and Putin are deep allies Is it hard being so stupid? Reread what I wrote and respond to it, because otherwise you legitimately are not worthy of this discussion. 2
Tiberius Posted January 1, 2023 Author Posted January 1, 2023 Quote In combative mood, Mr Putin said: "We always knew, and today it is confirmed to us yet again, that a sovereign, independent and secure future for Russia depends only on us, on our strength and will." He presented the invasion of Ukraine's sovereign territory as "defending our people and our historical lands" and said "moral, historical rightness is on our side". Mr Putin also accused the West of "provoking" Moscow to launch its invasion of Ukraine on 24 February. "The West lied about peace. It was preparing for aggression... and now they are cynically using Ukraine and its people to weaken and split Russia," he said. The terrorist speaks
SoCal Deek Posted January 1, 2023 Posted January 1, 2023 On 12/6/2021 at 5:43 AM, SoCal Deek said: These are all stupid little squabbles over stupid little countries stirred up by stupid little ‘leaders’ who seem desperate to send young men off to die. There’s been no significant border changes in the last century and yet here we are with countless graves piled up and countless treasures wasted. My two cents. I went back to read the very first page of this thread, started by Tibs over a YEAR ago. Nothing significant has changed in what anyone has said about the topic. So….I’ll stand by my first post! 1 1
Tiberius Posted January 2, 2023 Author Posted January 2, 2023 Another set of suicide charges? We had better start negotiating with Putin before he wastes away more of his lousy army
Tommy Callahan Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 Any updates. has democracy won in that country? any voting? Shoot, what's the military goal? never ending war with never ending western monetary support? What's the end game? for Ukraine to take all the regions back? go further into Russia? take the war to Russia? Wait for the embargo to weaken their economy? 1
B-Man Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 Ukraine War Kicks Off 2023 with a Very Big Bang. “It’s the single-deadliest known strike in months.” https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2023/01/02/ukraine-war-kicks-off-2023-with-a-very-big-bang-n1657838 1
SoCal Deek Posted January 2, 2023 Posted January 2, 2023 Is Russia’s economy in tatters yet? (Asking for a friend.) 1
Tiberius Posted January 2, 2023 Author Posted January 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Chris farley said: Any updates. has democracy won in that country? any voting? Shoot, what's the military goal? never ending war with never ending western monetary support? What's the end game? for Ukraine to take all the regions back? go further into Russia? take the war to Russia? Wait for the embargo to weaken their economy? End game is to win. Democracy took a huge step forward (don't cry too hard) with Russian terrorists being driven back. Want to really hurt Ukraine? Try winning elections here in USA. Thank God the American people have rejected your group, though 3 hours ago, Chris farley said: 32 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ukraine War Kicks Off 2023 with a Very Big Bang. “It’s the single-deadliest known strike in months.” https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2023/01/02/ukraine-war-kicks-off-2023-with-a-very-big-bang-n1657838 Nice to see Ukraine getting better at knocking down the terrorist drones.
B-Man Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 A BIT LIKE THE NY TIMES AND WASHINGTON POST AND ETCETERA: Russia Reports All The News That Fits …In 2022 Putin’s political fortunes took a turn for the worse when his invasion of Ukraine quickly failed with the loss of thousands of armored vehicles, most of the combat unit officers and such high troop losses that he found a growing number of Russians turning against him. If not stabilized or reversed, that shift in public opinion could prove fatal for his continued ability to rule Russia. Putin’s solution was to order the dezinformatsiya operation to cooperate with the VGTRK (All-Russia State Television and Radio Company) to convince Russians that the Ukraine operation was not a failure but had succeeded in stalling and exposing a secret NATO plan to weaken Russia and render it unable to rebuild the Russian empire and make Russia great again. Or at least keep Putin in power. Some Kremlin context for understanding Twitter, the CDC and the FBI in the pre-Musk era. https://strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20230104.aspx
Tiberius Posted January 5, 2023 Author Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, B-Man said: A BIT LIKE THE NY TIMES AND WASHINGTON POST AND ETCETERA: Russia Reports All The News That Fits …In 2022 Putin’s political fortunes took a turn for the worse when his invasion of Ukraine quickly failed with the loss of thousands of armored vehicles, most of the combat unit officers and such high troop losses that he found a growing number of Russians turning against him. If not stabilized or reversed, that shift in public opinion could prove fatal for his continued ability to rule Russia. Putin’s solution was to order the dezinformatsiya operation to cooperate with the VGTRK (All-Russia State Television and Radio Company) to convince Russians that the Ukraine operation was not a failure but had succeeded in stalling and exposing a secret NATO plan to weaken Russia and render it unable to rebuild the Russian empire and make Russia great again. Or at least keep Putin in power. Some Kremlin context for understanding Twitter, the CDC and the FBI in the pre-Musk era. https://strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20230104.aspx So people at the NYtimes get tossed out windows for publishing something a leader does not like? You are comparing the free press to the garbage spewed by a dictatorship. You really must hate this country and our freedoms if you ar spewing that nonsense
B-Man Posted January 5, 2023 Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: You are comparing the free press to the garbage spewed by a dictatorship. You really must hate this country and our freedoms if you ar spewing that nonsense You must not have read the link, it is critical of Russia's attempt at misinformation. Good Lord Tibs, try to not embarrass yourself !
B-Man Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 No. It doesn't mean stop support, but it DOES mean that Americans deserve a full accounting !
Tiberius Posted January 9, 2023 Author Posted January 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, B-Man said: No. It doesn't mean stop support, but it DOES mean that Americans deserve a full accounting ! No? It literally says stop giving them weapons (blank check) Why do you guys want to help Putin so much? WTF is it with you people?
B-Man Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No? It literally says stop giving them weapons (blank check) Why do you guys want to help Putin so much? WTF is it with you people? Your first comment (weapons = blank check) is so absurd there is no proper response Your second comment, that "we" want to help Putin, you know is false from previous comments "we" have made here. and yet you keep claiming it when discussion is attempted. Why is that ? Don't bother answering "we" know why. .
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