Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

No wonder Trump tried so hard to overturn the election.

And let me guess…Putin didn’t notice that it didn’t work? Was Vlad too busy watching the Olympics? You’re really reaching here today. 

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

And let me guess…Putin didn’t notice that it didn’t work? Was Vlad too busy watching the Olympics? You’re really reaching here today. 

 

You gotta admit, Trump went pretty darn far with his efforts to overturn the election, right?

 

You can admit that right Deek?

[wnyguy]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You gotta admit, Trump went pretty darn far with his efforts to overturn the election, right?

 

You can admit that right Deek?

That's only because that election was a fraud.

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

That's only because that election was a fraud.

 

If the election were indeed a fraud - Trump would NEVER have had these losers running around the country like clowns and YOU KNOW IT.

 

 

[Tiberius]

33 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

That's only because that election was a fraud.

Go live in Russia then 

[SoCal Deek]

37 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You gotta admit, Trump went pretty darn far with his efforts to overturn the election, right?

 

You can admit that right Deek?

Absolutely…No argument here. I have a unique take on his ‘efforts’ though. 

[Big Blitz]

28 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You will eat ze bugz 

 

 

 

Paid actor carrying out his orders.  

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

And let me guess…Putin didn’t notice that it didn’t work? Was Vlad too busy watching the Olympics? You’re really reaching here today. 

 

Cant hear you - gotta admit, Trump went pretty darn far with his efforts to overturn the election, right?

 

You can admit that right Deek?

[Tommy Callahan]

LOL.

 

 

Referencing the "Erica Marsh and Ron fricken flipkowski" as sources...

 

wasnt this a question on the thread about what sources can be trusted...

 

 

[sherpa]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

So let me get this straight. Trump didn’t get a second term. The US didn’t pull out of NATO….and Putin STILL invaded Ukraine. Yep, that entire tweet makes a lot of sense alright. 😂😂😂

 

I wouldn't believe a thing Bolton says about anything.

He has been a crazy warmonger for a long time.

Couldn't get Senate approval as UN Ambassador under Bush when the Republicans controlled the Senate, so had to get a recess appointment.

Hasn't had a day where he didn't want to invade Iran.

Run out of Trump staff, not that that is unusual.

Was suspected of withholding information from Colin Powell during his service because it went against his views.

 

The man needs to be away from govt., and I wouldn't trust a thing he said.

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

 

I wouldn't believe a thing Bolton says about anything.

He has been a crazy warmonger for a long time.

Couldn't get Senate approval as UN Ambassador under Bush when the Republicans controlled the Senate, so had to get a recess appointment.

Hasn't had a day where he didn't want to invade Iran.

Run out of Trump staff, not that that is unusual.

Was suspected of withholding information from Colin Powell during his service because it went against his views.

 

The man needs to be away from govt., and I wouldn't trust a thing he said.

 

And he was branded a crazy warmonger by dems and left-leaning folks when it was fashionable.  Now, a man once reviled by the left for aggressive posturing and deceiving the American people/press/politicians is a beacon of truth.   He's entered Cheneyesque territory.   

 

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/22/17153338/john-bolton-national-security-adviser-trump-hr-mcmaster

Bolton has said the United States should declare war on both North Korea and Iran. He was credibly accused of manipulating US intelligence on weapons of mass destruction prior to the Iraq War and of abusive treatment of his subordinates. He once “joked” about knocking 10 stories off the UN building in New York. That means his new appointment to be the most important national security official in the White House has significant — and frightening — implications for Trump’s approach to the world.

[Coffeesforclosers]

5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

So let me get this straight. Trump didn’t get a second term. The US didn’t pull out of NATO….and Putin STILL invaded Ukraine. Yep, that entire tweet makes a lot of sense alright. 😂😂😂

 

How Ukraine's 1st Tank Brigade for a Russian Force 10 Times It's Size- And Won

 

I mean, EVERYONE knows if you outnumber your enemy 10-1, you attack because they've got no chance.

 

You'd have to be a special type of stupid to ***** that up! 

[reddogblitz]

On 12/27/2022 at 7:29 AM, sherpa said:

Appealing to Russian prisoners to join the fight.

Sounds pretty attractive, eh?

 

Head of Wagner group "recruiting" Russian convicts.

 

I served with several in the Marines whose choice was either go to jail or join the military.  So they joined the military. Smart choice I would say.

 

And Wagner is Russia's Blackwater, er Academi.

[reddogblitz]

On 12/27/2022 at 8:26 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

As a national strategy, though, does the US policy of “heavy aid” make long-term sense? Are we charting a wise course that will pay dividends in our own increased security, or are we getting drawn into an “entangling alliance” that will ultimately play to Russian advantage? 

 

From a sentimental Norman Rockwell perspective, we’ve enjoyed portraying ourselves as giving Little Brother a stick to fend off the town bully. It satisfies our souls on several levels: we can feel (for a change) that we did the “right thing;” we get to witness our technical superiority on an international stage; and, though we won’t much admit it, we also get to enjoy the daily spectacle of watching a tormenter’s nose get bloodied without getting any on our fronts… And God, how we love a scrappy underdog—especially one so decidedly European as a Ukrainian.

 

But the world isn’t a Rockwell painting, and things aren’t always as they seem. What is really at play here, and where do we draw the line of our national interest? We’ve become so inured to “lines” lately—red lines, bright lines, “deconfliction” lines—that it becomes difficult to even know what such a distinction would practically mean.

 

A place to start would be in clarifying our endgame.

 

https://lawliberty.org/who-should-really-support-ukraine/

 

 

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I liked this part of your article:

 

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Instead of ratcheting up the pressure (and expense) for ever-diminishing geopolitical returns, the U.S. could announce it is provisionally plateauing its arms shipments as the conflict grinds into a likely stalemate in the Donbas. Signal that it is ready to ramp up arms deliveries if Russia attempts any further incursions, but that in the interim it is turning the impetus over to its prosperous, motivated, free citizens.

 

Some of the limited things the U.S. government might do during this strategic “idle”:

 

* Facilitate volunteer travel, especially ex-military, who are willing and able to train or fight, with visas and expedited passport processing. Diplomatically clear the Polish and Ukrainian bureaucratic border thickets.

 

* Promote voluntary private donations, such as to the Arsenal of Liberty, which channel donated weapons and ammunition to the front. Help the Ukrainian population bristle with lethal defense.

 

* Give 1:1 tax deductions and credits for all donations to the Ukrainian cause (including hourly in-kind volunteering). Make giving less onerous.

 

Then people like @Tiberius, @ChiGoose, @BillStime,  President Biden, Speaker Pelosi, Vice President Harris, Mitch McConnell, and various and assundry Twitter influencers can give as much money as they want and they and their children can go to Ukraine to help (they can do this right now).   I mean its really really really important to defeat Russia right? Put some skin in the game.

[sherpa]

4 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

And Wagner is Russia's Blackwater, er Academi.

 

I would say Wagner's activities are far more expansive than Blackwater, to include flying Russian strike aircraft.

 

On the Ukranian side, a retired Ukrainian pilot, was shot down and killed a month or so ago.

He was 61.

 

[Tiberius]

14 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I liked this part of your article:

 

 

Then people like @Tiberius, @ChiGoose, @BillStime,  President Biden, Speaker Pelosi, Vice President Harris, Mitch McConnell, and various and assundry Twitter influencers can give as much money as they want and they and their children can go to Ukraine to help (they can do this right now).   I mean its really really really important to defeat Russia right? Put some skin in the game.

Yes, me and Mitch McConnell should go fight. Lol, are you an idiot? 

 

That is a serious question for you. Because I think you are 

 

Get back to me stupid 

[Tiberius]

14 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I liked this part of your article:

 

You did? So a "stalemate" with Russian forces occupying Ukrainian territory is acceptable to you? I say give the democratic/republican forces on the ground the power to push the occupiers/fascist out. You are saying, as is the article, that Russia should be rewarded for their invasion by being allowed to keep land--and people-they stole from another country. 

 

That's your position. Rewarding war criminals 

[Tiberius]

And we are learning from this. If there is a next war and we are in it our troops will benefit from having this knowledge and skill against the weapons of the authoritarian regimes 

 

 

[sherpa]

26 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

And we are learning from this. If there is a next war and we are in it our troops will benefit from having this knowledge and skill against the weapons of the authoritarian regimes 

 

We already know how to deal with drones.

First you hack them or jam them.

That's how VIP ground movements are protected.

 

Next, you use any of a number of automatic 20mm weapons to create a metal wall in front of them.

Such systems are available to ships, ground based systems or airborne.

[Orlando Buffalo]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

You did? So a "stalemate" with Russian forces occupying Ukrainian territory is acceptable to you? I say give the democratic/republican forces on the ground the power to push the occupiers/fascist out. You are saying, as is the article, that Russia should be rewarded for their invasion by being allowed to keep land--and people-they stole from another country. 

 

That's your position. Rewarding war criminals 

Why didn't we stop Russia in 2014 with the Crimea? Your argument holds the same water for that invasion as this one, literally same everything. I am actually curious if you have a path to peace without invading Russia?